Without any one of 3 things Hillary Clinton would have won the presidency

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1) Russian hacking and airing of Democratic and Clinton Foundation dirty laundry

2) GOP voter suppression of the African American vote after much of VRA was overturned

3) the October surprise Comey letter

I think she could have won with only two of these occurring-- for instance just the voter suppression and the Comey letter-- but all three were just too much.

There were other things baked in the cake that went against her-- media hostility to her and GOP desperation, but these 3 things were extra things thrown at her, that obviously killed support and I think all together, doomed her.

That's my overall take on this election.

Yes, there were some things she could've have done better and maybe we could've won with a different candidate, but fuck, I think ultimately this election was stolen by sleazy, immoral and treasonous means.

And she still won the popular vote, of course.

[Protalker]

1. Manchurian Candidate

The letters Harry Reid sent to FBI, the agency the only one not calling out Russians as hacker, Manafort, and the infamous letter. We as a nation have been had by Don the Con

[Abouttime]

2. Hillary won if all the votes would've been counted

Hillary really won FL, PA, MI, and likely WI. The machines were tampered with, votes were left uncounted and thousands of Democratic voters were turned away at the polls.
The repukes stole another election just as they did in 2000 and 2004.
Why aren't people in the streets? Where is Obama? Where is Loretta Lynch?
They can't just sit back and let this happen to our great nation.

[Zambero]

3. Add to the list

I'll say it: The fundie anti-Islam video that sparked outrage back in 2012 and undoubtedly provoked the Benghazi raid at the time among other violent incidents and demonstrations throughout the Arab world. Without that, there would have been no killing of four Americans, no protracted Benghazi witch hunt, no email revelations, no "can she be trusted" meme, and of course no Comeygate surprise.

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6. was that made by Americans?

I forget.

[Zambero]

8. Yes

The Youtube video titled "The Innocence of Muslims" was created by a Coptic Christian who had been in the U.S. since 1984.

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9. thanks! And what is your opinion on how much the video contributed to the attack?

[Zambero]

11. If you consider the pattern of events in the Arab world

stemming from outrage as a result of the video, highly probable. It was a terrorist attack that was provoked by the video, apparently not pre-planned. It's was not one or the other, but both.

[Orsino]

4. There are a thousand thumbs on the scale.

Take away any of the factors you mentioned, and They would have just invented others, or pimped others harder.

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. And a major addition - the media's inability or unwillingness to elevate Trump's issues to the level

of Hillary's so called email issue. They got gaslit and just rolled.

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10. yep!

[applegrove]

7. There is a very long list of things that made the difference. It was only 80,000

votes. There are at least 20 things.

[geek tragedy]

12. There's more than that--including self-inflicted wounds that allowed those things to become

tie-breakers.

If she was that vulnerable in those states, then her campaign failed in those states.