which donnie states would have gone for hillary were it not for voter id and voter roll purges?

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i have to think wisconsin, at a minimum -- it was close and has a strict voter id law, which surely helped republicans more than the margin of victory.

which others? i'm not sure which states have though voter id laws and/or conducted voter roll purges.


my bottom line guess is that, for all the talk about what we could have done differently, hillary would have won had the election itself been conducted fairly, even with the russians and comey and the insanely biased media and everything else.

[duffyduff]

1. WI, PA, and MI at least.

I suspect it was done all over the country.

[LonePirate]

3. Add FL and NC to the list.

[LenaBaby61]

2. The big 3 ....

Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

I know it was close in North Carolina, but all of the voter suppression that went on THERE was ridiculous and shameful.

Tbh, I never thought she was winning Ohio and who knows about what happened in Florida. I do believe that she good numbers going into election weekend, but as with the REST of the states those leads dried up for VARIOUS and NEFARIOUS reasons

Hillary DID win the 2016 GE. Unfortunately, she was cheated and cyber-hacked out of it by tRump's boy toys (putin/comey).

[Botany]

5. The early vote in OH was strong for HRC just like FL

Although the anti HRC memes sold by Russian fake news and FOX/Rush/Brietbart
have really sunk into the core of many white men in OH.

I had one person tell me when I pointed out that Trump kept copies of Hitler's
speeches by his bed and that he every newspaper in America came out agianst
him, "Well we stopped that bitch c**t Hillary."

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7. i'm a bit wary of drawing conclusion based on early voting

because it's entirely possible that there's a built-in bias, i.e., perhaps democrats are more likely to vote early.

i think more democrats work and would thus find early/absentee voting more convenient; whereas retirees, who are more republican, might have less of a problem voting on election day itself.

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6. what gets me is her being ahead in the polls virtually every day the entire campaign.

individual polls had trump in the lead on occasion, but i think all the poll aggregators had hillary in the lead every single day, or nearly so.

very suspicious when the one day donnie is ahead (at least in the key states) is election day....

[Ace Rothstein]

12. The problem with the polling was that there were a lot more undecideds than we've seen recently.

These went overwhelmingly to Trump as show in exit polling.

[Botany]

4. OH, NC, IW, FL, and AZ

This was almost a nationwide scam. 30 states run by Republicans ran "cross check"
and Trump won every one of them.

The one swing state, VA, that was run by democrats HRC won. The swing states
that Trump won were "won" by < then 1% of the vote

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9. gee, that doesn't sound suspicious in the least!

[zipplewrath]

8. All you have to do

All you have to do is find the people that were prevented somehow from voting. So far I haven't seen anyone trying to do that. We know it is possible, but right now it is conjecture without some data of some sort. At the very least one ought to be able to show relative turn out numbers to support the assertion.

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10. yeah, i'm sure our trusty investigative media will be all over that.

[zipplewrath]

11. Or Stein?

Or the DNC, or anyone really. Nate Silver might be able to do something for that matter.