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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:47 AM Dec 2016

Trump supporters would be most likely to turn on Trump if...

A) he continues to align with Wall Street and establishment types (no draining of the swamp)

B) he leads an effort to privatize Social Security, Medicare, public education, etc.

C) he doesn't destroy ISIS

D) he doesn't bring back millions of jobs that have been outsourced (and attempts to reduce the minimum wage to boot)

E) he doesn't withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal

F) he doesn't withdraw from the Paris Agreement

G) he does a 180 on civil rights and pisses off hate groups like the KKK (no mass deportations, no Muslim registry, full support of LGBTQ rights, full support of Black Lives Matter, etc.)

Which of the above would piss off the most Trump supporters?

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Trump supporters would be most likely to turn on Trump if... (Original Post) Garrett78 Dec 2016 OP
G is an easy winner here nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #1
Yep. Nothing else comes close. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #23
D), G) and H) Not building the wall. LonePirate Dec 2016 #2
I'd include the wall in 'G' Garrett78 Dec 2016 #4
I've already seen A TXCritter Dec 2016 #3
What do you mean you've seen it? Garrett78 Dec 2016 #6
Yes, I'm watching it now TXCritter Dec 2016 #8
I'm not clear on what it is you're watching. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #24
No I'm watching one person slowly wake up. TXCritter Dec 2016 #37
G of course . it's why they didn't like McCain or Romney but do like Trump JI7 Dec 2016 #5
A&G Ken Burch Dec 2016 #7
A is bullshit because they would not have supported him in the first place if that was their JI7 Dec 2016 #9
Many on DU seem to think A and D are the top 2 answers. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #13
Well, given that their natural state is being pissed off - any of the above. baldguy Dec 2016 #10
I think B.... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #11
The point isn't that his supporters are all wearing white sheets. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #14
Doing one-eighties is kind of Trump's brand. Orsino Dec 2016 #12
I can't see him doing a 180 on those "G" positions - he's more likely to simply not take action, if JudyM Dec 2016 #15
The cool thing is that he can do any number of verbal one-eighties. Orsino Dec 2016 #18
Trump can't afford to do a 180 on 'G'. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #20
If he doesn't make good on his promise to bring back jobs from overseas meow2u3 Dec 2016 #16
I suspect most already know that can't happen. And they'll just blame Democrats. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #21
None of the above. Vinca Dec 2016 #17
Supporting gun control measures or pro-choice justices would turn off some. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #25
B, D, G uponit7771 Dec 2016 #19
They'll support privatization and blame the effects of it on Democrats. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #22
D, and they will also turn on him mtnsnake Dec 2016 #26
Most are convinced that their taxes went up under Obama. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #29
Ain't gonna happen. They didn't turn on Bush or any other Republican politician. procon Dec 2016 #27
'G' is a deal breaker. The rest would be ignored or blamed on evil liberals. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #28
It's also the least likely scenario in your list. procon Dec 2016 #33
I didn't omit immigration. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #35
G asuhornets Dec 2016 #30
Ends Disability and medicaid. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #31
When I first saw the question Runningdawg Dec 2016 #32
None of them. Third Doctor Dec 2016 #34
I agree when it comes to A through F. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #36
G - anything else, they'll just make excuses for him or blame the Democrats EffieBlack Dec 2016 #38
Without a doubt. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #41
None of the above DFW Dec 2016 #39
'G' would do the trick, but it won't happen. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #43
I don't think we should try to divide them. I think we should yoke them to him. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #40
I'm not talking about trying to divide them. That'd be a fool's errand. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #42
I think short of raising taxes, nothing would piss them off. dionysus Dec 2016 #44
B and D, because they will be affected personally, okasha Dec 2016 #45
They support privatization even if they don't realize what the effects would be. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #46
G - n/t JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #47

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
4. I'd include the wall in 'G'
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:55 AM
Dec 2016

And, like geek tragedy, I have little doubt that the answer is 'G'. I don't think anything else comes close.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
6. What do you mean you've seen it?
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:57 AM
Dec 2016

You've seen supporters abandon him because of 'A'?

Over the long haul, which do you think would cost him the most?

 

TXCritter

(344 posts)
8. Yes, I'm watching it now
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:11 AM
Dec 2016

Failure to bring back jobs is probably going to be the final nail but failing to destroy ISIS will cause serious problems with this particular person.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
24. I'm not clear on what it is you're watching.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:19 PM
Dec 2016

Have you seen polling data that suggests he's losing a lot of supporters on account of aligning with Wall Street and establishment types?

Most won't remember or care that he promised to destroy ISIS.

JI7

(90,547 posts)
9. A is bullshit because they would not have supported him in the first place if that was their
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:04 AM
Dec 2016

concern .

same with B and D

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. Many on DU seem to think A and D are the top 2 answers.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:28 PM
Dec 2016

There are also those who are convinced that B would piss off a lot of his supporters.

I think the answer is G and nothing else comes close.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
10. Well, given that their natural state is being pissed off - any of the above.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 06:41 AM
Dec 2016

It'll all depend on how long Trump can keep pleasing the Russian/GOP propaganda complex before they find that it's in their interests to turn on him. Then the erstwhile Trump supporters will get their marching orders.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
11. I think B....
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:15 AM
Dec 2016

a lot of older Trump supporters - and the ones most likely to vote - will join the majority of other Americans who will be reaching for the torches and pitchforks in such a scenario.

As for G, I think we all tend to overestimate the numbers and influence of the Klan and folks like the Westboro Baptist Church. The more serious and widespread problem is the sort of latent, unacknowledged racism of most conservatives and even some Democrats. I think over time we win many of those folks over - I think marriage equality and the election & re-election of President Obama provide signs of hope in moving the country towards a more accepting and just place. But there is much work left to do. And by moving the masses towards support of all minority rights makes the far right extremists even more isolated. I don't think it's possible to eliminate them completely, and they do serve a purpose as a cautionary tale of what hate looks like and why we must remain vigilant against it.

And in the final analysis, I don't think Trump cares that much about social conservatism as he does about personal enrichment and the enrichment of the 1%ers. Certainly there are people in his orbit that are social extremists, but I think he's first and foremost governed by greed. If he thought he could seize church lands by eminent domain and build more cheesy condo towers in their place without political blowback he'd do that immediately after being sworn in. JMHO.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
14. The point isn't that his supporters are all wearing white sheets.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:32 PM
Dec 2016

As you say, it's the latent, unacknowledged racism (and other forms of bigotry), though there's still a lot of overt bigotry (Trump has given folks license to express it).

I think G is, by far, the thing that would be most likely to piss of a large number of Trump's voters. Privatization? They're all for it at least until they feel the effects--even then they'll blame Democrats. Iran nuclear deal and Paris Agreement? Most, if they even know about those things, aren't going to care. Jobs coming back? I suspect most realize that isn't going to happen--those who do will just blame Democrats if it doesn't happen.

Bigotry is the driving force.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
12. Doing one-eighties is kind of Trump's brand.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:31 AM
Dec 2016

Whatever your favorite issue, there's a quote you can dig up showing him on whichever side you like. His justifications for this behavior are lame, but many people are highly paid to tell you they not only not lame, but strong, coherent, sexy and not impotent at all. At all.

JudyM

(29,517 posts)
15. I can't see him doing a 180 on those "G" positions - he's more likely to simply not take action, if
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:57 PM
Dec 2016

anything.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
18. The cool thing is that he can do any number of verbal one-eighties.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:23 PM
Dec 2016

He clearly doesn't feel constrained by anything he's done or said previously.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
20. Trump can't afford to do a 180 on 'G'.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:10 PM
Dec 2016

Bigotry, particularly racism, is the glue that holds the Republican coalition together. Trump wouldn't do it anyway, as his own history suggests he's a bigly bigot.

A-F either wouldn't really bother his supporters or they'd justify those things by blaming Democrats/evil liberals.

meow2u3

(24,923 posts)
16. If he doesn't make good on his promise to bring back jobs from overseas
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:46 PM
Dec 2016

You know, that promise he has zero intention of ever keeping--he just said that so working-class Democrats flipped and voted for tRump. Only thing, they just don't know it yet.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
21. I suspect most already know that can't happen. And they'll just blame Democrats.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:12 PM
Dec 2016

But reversing on bigotry would be a deal breaker. Guaranteed.

Vinca

(51,055 posts)
17. None of the above.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:23 PM
Dec 2016

What would piss them off is if something happens during the reign of Trump that causes him to suddenly go anti-gun. It could happen. He flip flops on everything.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
25. Supporting gun control measures or pro-choice justices would turn off some.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:23 PM
Dec 2016

But he won't do those things. Even if he did, it would pale in comparison to the impact of 'G', which he also won't do because it's the tie that binds. The Repubilcan Party collapses without bigotry, particularly racism.

White male Trump supporters would feel betrayed and be really pissed off. White women who voted for Trump would suddenly remember that he's a sexual predator and misogynist.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. They'll support privatization and blame the effects of it on Democrats.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:16 PM
Dec 2016

And most know jobs aren't coming back--once again, even if they don't, they'll blame Democrats when it doesn't happen.

'G' is the deal breaker. It's the tie that binds. It's one thing Trump would never do a 180 on. He simply can't afford to even if he wanted to, which I'm sure he doesn't. I think he's a genuine bigot who genuinely appreciates the likes of Bannon.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
26. D, and they will also turn on him
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:28 PM
Dec 2016

if they don't get at least 5 dollars more in their income tax returns under him than they did under President Obama.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
29. Most are convinced that their taxes went up under Obama.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:53 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.alternet.org/story/148826/16_of_the_dumbest_things_americans_believe_--_and_the_right-wing_lies_behind_them

'D' will get blamed on Democrats, at least among those who actually thought bringing back millions of jobs was realistic. The rest will just ignore 'D'.

'G' is the deal breaker.

procon

(15,805 posts)
27. Ain't gonna happen. They didn't turn on Bush or any other Republican politician.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:46 PM
Dec 2016

Trump bragged that he could shoot someone and get away with it, and he's right. That's how Republicans react, they circle the wagons and double down. As horrendous as it looks like Trump will be, if some of his voters suffer from a bit of buyer's remorse, they will just quietly fade away. The fear of being turned on be their fellow Trump supporters will keep them silent, allowing Trump to become even more emboldened to achieve still greater feats a appalling tyranny.

procon

(15,805 posts)
33. It's also the least likely scenario in your list.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 05:26 PM
Dec 2016

People are primarily concerned with issues that they believe -- rightly or wrongly -- affect them personally. Immigration, which you omitted, is a huge boogeyman for a lot of people who use it as convenient catchall for many of their perceived ills. Trump might be able to kill off Medicare and SS and even convince Americans to applaud if he can con those who either have it, now or will soon, that they will not be affected. And like any good con man, he will promise that all their kids will become so rich under his plan that it won't matter if they no longer have a social safety net.

Trump has ready made excuses for packing his administration with Wall St. billionaires and catering to the wealthiest elites in the establishment, just as he'll have tremendous, totally plausible excuses for everything he screws up from now on. His followers will swallow anything he tells them, you know, because he's really, really, rich and famous... and oh, so very, very smart.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
35. I didn't omit immigration.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 06:17 PM
Dec 2016

'G' includes no mass deportations and no Muslim registry. You can include "the wall" in 'G'.

I agree that 'G' is the least likely to happen, because it's the deal breaker. It's the basis for his support. It's the tie that binds, the glue that holds the Trump/Republican coalition together.

Runningdawg

(4,617 posts)
32. When I first saw the question
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:36 PM
Dec 2016

without the choices - this was my first thought. Otherwise I agree with G. The moment he goes soft on minorities is the day the worm turns.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
36. I agree when it comes to A through F.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 06:19 PM
Dec 2016

But 'G' would be a deal breaker. It's the basis for his support.

DFW

(56,575 posts)
39. None of the above
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 08:28 PM
Dec 2016

If they were dimwitted enough to support him in the first place, he could do all of what you listed, plus divorce Melania and marry Oprah in Reno at some casino on live TV, and his supporters would STILL think he's making American great again. Somehow. They wouldn't be able to explain just how right away, but they'd wait for Fox to tell them, and then they'd regurgitate it verbatim.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
43. 'G' would do the trick, but it won't happen.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:31 AM
Dec 2016

A-F would all be ignored or justified, but bigotry - particularly racism - is the tie that binds. Support of Black Lives Matter, path to citizenship et al. would sink the Trump ship. And that's why it won't happen...that and the fact that Trump himself is a bigot.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
42. I'm not talking about trying to divide them. That'd be a fool's errand.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:26 AM
Dec 2016

I think 'G' is pretty much the only thing that would have significant impact on his level of support, and there's no way in hell 'G' is going to happen.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
44. I think short of raising taxes, nothing would piss them off.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:57 AM
Dec 2016

the rethugs never seem to revolt when their guy's campaign promises inevitably turn out ro be bullshit.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
45. B and D, because they will be affected personally,
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:00 AM
Dec 2016

in the pocketbook.

All the other points are ideological, not personal.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
46. They support privatization even if they don't realize what the effects would be.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 01:33 AM
Dec 2016

And they'd just blame Democrats for the effects anyway. Same with 'D'. They'll blame Democrats or just overlook it. I suspect most realize bringing jobs back was never realistic.

But there's no way in hell they'd overlook Trump doing a 180 on the likes of Steve Bannon, coming out in support of Black Lives Matter, etc.

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