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We didn't underestimate Trump. (Original Post) sellitman Dec 2016 OP
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #1
Bingo. Trump is just a symptom of The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #2
Yep. Orsino Dec 2016 #3
Fuckin' A Emilybemily Dec 2016 #4
all things considered, we did pretty well, with hillary getting notably more votes. unblock Dec 2016 #5
Democrats haven't had an electoral victory that didn't directly involve Obama or W in 20 years. k2qb3 Dec 2016 #6
No. We overestimated RUSSIA. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #7
yes, the RUssia thing was the biggest. JI7 Dec 2016 #20
I never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter mdbl Dec 2016 #8
Saddest post reply sellitman Dec 2016 #18
Yeah, all those red states that listen to Faux News all day and listen Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #29
The guy across the street from us is a prime example. redstatebluegirl Dec 2016 #30
No. (nt) YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #9
Yes PatSeg Dec 2016 #10
Trump is simply the end result of 20+years of right wing hate-talk radio, hadEnuf Dec 2016 #11
I can't disagree. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2016 #12
Hillary kicked Trump's butt. It was the GOP establishment that beat her by successfully selling StevieM Dec 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #14
I remember October quite differently HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #17
I thought Donald Trump would be a catastrophe for the Republican Party this election Martin Eden Dec 2016 #15
They liked it sellitman Dec 2016 #21
They liked much of what they saw, but were also blind to the consequences Martin Eden Dec 2016 #22
Yep already a crack in the dark side... The foreign workers at KingCons vineyard isn't going well uponit7771 Dec 2016 #25
Most aren't rational. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #32
I disagree. Exilednight Dec 2016 #16
Deplorable Dumbfuckistan. oasis Dec 2016 #19
They'll just blame Democrats or ignore it. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #23
Already started... Donald Trump hire foreign workers in vineyard uponit7771 Dec 2016 #24
you got that right MFM008 Dec 2016 #26
I know did Va Lefty Dec 2016 #27
You overestimated hillary bowens43 Dec 2016 #28
Sounds like a winning message for 2020! YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #31
Keith Ellison didn't underestimate Trump jfern Dec 2016 #33
I think both were and are true aikoaiko Dec 2016 #34
this election... djsunyc Dec 2016 #35

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,684 posts)
2. Bingo. Trump is just a symptom of
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:39 AM
Dec 2016

... I'm not sure exactly what. Maybe we were just being held together with the duct tape and baling wire of a shared belief in our "system" but then it all started falling apart when the system couldn't contain the anger of people who thought they weren't in control any more? Not that long ago a candidate like Trump would have been unthinkable; his own party would have tossed him out the back door into the alley. I think Sarah Palin was the first sign that really overt awfulness was acceptable in politics, at least to some people. She opened the door and all that festering hate came out and was validated. I don't how it can be fixed - most people still believe in political decency but enough don't, or are willing to overlook gross indecency if they think the'll get a tax break and the Mexicans and Muslims will get kicked out, that we might be looking at some kind of civil war. Maybe not a shooting war, but some kind of collapse of the US as we now know it.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
3. Yep.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:39 AM
Dec 2016

Trump's lack of talent, intellect and integrity were fairly plain, but it doesn't matter when he's always on the TV, hurling entertaining insults.

unblock

(54,133 posts)
5. all things considered, we did pretty well, with hillary getting notably more votes.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:47 AM
Dec 2016

frankly, if you think about it, given:

- the biased purging of voting rolls
- the biased voter id laws
- the biased disenfranchisement through the criminal courts
- the biased allocation of voting locations
- the biased electoral college system
- the biased forms of voting (whether or not and how much early voting, most notably)
- a media that gave 85+% of the coverage to donnie
- a media that, when it did cover hillary, focused almost entirely on fake scandals and baseless allegations
- criminal activity from donnie in soliciting hacking of private data of americans (by a foreign entity, no less!)
- a media that failed to point this out and declare donnie disqualified for this
- criminal activity in gaining access to campaign-related private information (did the media even ever point out that the hacking was a criminal act?)
- criminal activity in the accepting and publication of contraband (the media had no basis for publicizing the stolen information).
- criminal activity from the fbi (comey violated the hatch act by committing a blatantly political act in an effort to swing the election).
- and we can't discount the possibility that vote totals were outright manipulated.

america did pretty well to give hillary markedly more votes.

we need to do better, but we're fighting the wrong war if we focus on the usual issues, candidates, messaging, etc.

if we don't to something about republican cheating, they'll beat us every time.

you can't beat a cheater by simply playing better.

 

k2qb3

(374 posts)
6. Democrats haven't had an electoral victory that didn't directly involve Obama or W in 20 years.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:21 PM
Dec 2016

You'll never understand 2016 until you put it in context.

mdbl

(5,458 posts)
8. I never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:07 PM
Dec 2016

Not even this time. Unfortunately, they held true to it.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
29. Yeah, all those red states that listen to Faux News all day and listen
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:24 PM
Dec 2016

to Rush and all the other multitude of hate radio stations when not at home listening to Fauck News.
Hard to convince people of our way of thinking/voting when they listen to propaganda all day.
How the hell can we do that? What a daunting task...but we MUST find a way or this nation is going down the tube.

redstatebluegirl

(12,474 posts)
30. The guy across the street from us is a prime example.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:28 PM
Dec 2016

He drives a delivery truck, has 3 girls, two his own and 1 from his wife's previous relationship. He treats them all, including his wife, like property he controls. They go to a very tea party Baptist Church where he leads a group of men teaching them to be "strong family men".

He feels he has been left behind by our economy, he hates Blacks,Hispanics, LGBT and women, not necessarily in that order. He is a really angry white guy who happens to be 6 ft. 4 and around 300 pounds.

He had 4 Trump signs in his yard and two stickers on his truck. He threw a fit because his boss would not let him put one on his delivery truck. I haven't bought a product they produce since early last year.

He said if he could have he would have "pulled a Chicago voter" and voted multiple times for Trump.

I am really sad about the lack of thought these people put into their voting.

PatSeg

(49,696 posts)
10. Yes
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:09 PM
Dec 2016

As a country we've been heading towards this for some time now. Perhaps it was inevitable. If not Trump, it would have been someone else.

hadEnuf

(2,660 posts)
11. Trump is simply the end result of 20+years of right wing hate-talk radio,
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:12 PM
Dec 2016

right wing hate "news" stations, and right wing hate internet sites and forums.



You don't pretty much own the entire communications media and not get a result from your 24/7 propaganda.



Oh, and help provided from various totalitarians from around the world too.


StevieM

(10,539 posts)
13. Hillary kicked Trump's butt. It was the GOP establishment that beat her by successfully selling
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:45 PM
Dec 2016

the fake email scandal to the American people.

Response to StevieM (Reply #13)

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
17. I remember October quite differently
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:21 PM
Dec 2016

The GOP establishment (Ryan) wanted Jeb, they fought Trump all the way, handed the presidency to Hillary in October, and decided to devote all resources to down ticket candidates. At that point, GOP was rescinding what few endorsements there were, and declaring that they would vote Democrat.



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/10/09/secondary-protocol-paul-ryan-wants-trump-out-rnc-reportedly-diverts-funding-to-down-ticket-races-n2229724



The speed and breadth of the abandonment of Mr. Trump’s candidacy shocked some long-time party members and exposed a shattered party without a clear path forward.

Martin Eden

(13,443 posts)
15. I thought Donald Trump would be a catastrophe for the Republican Party this election
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:29 AM
Dec 2016

How could any rational person of normal intelligence not see Donald Trump for the vile con man that he is?
Far too many of our fellow citizens either did not see that, or saw it and liked it.

Martin Eden

(13,443 posts)
22. They liked much of what they saw, but were also blind to the consequences
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:17 PM
Dec 2016

Hair Twitler fed their anger and hate, which ultimately will consume them.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
32. Most aren't rational.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:50 PM
Dec 2016

See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512659983

And, if you get a chance, read an article from the October 17 issue of Time magazine titled, "The Truth Is Out There."

*Many* of Trump's supporters are, simply put, batshit crazy.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
16. I disagree.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 08:44 PM
Dec 2016

The fact that many on this very board were celebrating the day after the nomination shows that we took this election for granted.

oasis

(51,649 posts)
19. Deplorable Dumbfuckistan.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:58 PM
Dec 2016

Wait 'n see what the Cheeto has in store for all of you shit-for-brains, Trump loving dolts.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
23. They'll just blame Democrats or ignore it.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:17 PM
Dec 2016

For the most part, they exist within an alternate reality from which there is no return.

MFM008

(19,998 posts)
26. you got that right
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:14 PM
Dec 2016

i gave WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY to many people credit for brains or patriotism , when they had neither.
I NEVER thought we would face this maggot in a serious way.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
27. I know did
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:20 PM
Dec 2016

thought he would be easier to beat than Cruz. Just couldn't see all the bible thumpers voting for Comrade casino. Bill Mahr said on his show after the election "Don't ever say the American People aren't that dumb. They'll say I'll show you how dumb I can Be!"

aikoaiko

(34,201 posts)
34. I think both were and are true
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 06:39 AM
Dec 2016

Trump showed an amazing dedication to his message when I'm sure many, many people advised, confronted, threatened, etc to change it.

djsunyc

(169 posts)
35. this election...
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 08:05 AM
Dec 2016

was about folks unable to get over their own sh t for the betterment of the country.

that and about how non-whites need to take elections more seriously.

the country is easily swayed to be conservative. change is tough - even in 2016. it took a super duper charismatic person to help foster that along but that was short lived. i'm not sure the path we are on can really change unless non-whites force the change or we just let time take it's natural course and have non-whites severely outnumber whites.

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