So What Would It Take for Many of You To Be Rude to Ivanka???

[adigal]

So many of you got the vapors that a gay man was rude to Ivanka in front of her children. You compared Ivanka falsely to Sasha and Malia, which is a false equivalence as she has been, and is, an active part of his campaign and Administration. (A logical response would have been to compare Barron and Sasha, but you polite people didn't do that. And i would agree that to accost Barron, a child, would be wrong.) Ivanka worked on his campaign, works on his transition team, sits in on meetings and wants an active role, a West Wing office. She is not an innocent bystander here.

So i'm curious as to what it would take for you to say something to Ivanka and her asshole husband who worked with Bannon on having Bill Clinton's accusers at the 2nd debate? Even if her children were there? Let's play, shall we?

If Muslims were having to register, would you speak out to Ivanka, even if her children got upset?
How many of you polite folks would put your names on that registry?

How about if they marched Muslim children into camps like we have done in our not so distant history? Would you still worry about optics and upsetting her children? I bet you would still not speak out, because we Dems dont so such mean things. (And I wonder how George Takei, who was put in a camp as a child, felt about that man speaking out to Ivanka yesterday?)

How about sending Dreamers back to countries they havent seen since infant hood?? Puliing them out of their homes, onto buses, into detention centers to be processed to be sent back to the country they were taken from as children? Would you say something yet to Ivanka, who is demanding an office in the West Wing. Or would you be loathe to upset her and the children? Just be polite! The other side might say mean things about us.

These are all things Trump has promised to do. I get that it's very scary to take him at his word, terrifying to think that these are not normal times. He is not a normal Republican. That he will try to do what he says. But there is a very good possibility that Trump will do as he said he will do. Do you think Obama is believing him? If not, why is he dismantling that program that tracked Muslims here illegally after 9/11. Take Trump at his word. And Ivanka is part of his team.

Oh, i forgot! This can't happen here! We aren't like that! Yet we are. And the sooner we realize that 25% of Americans would happily march Muslims and Latinos off, and many of you would remain silent from how upset you get at someone exercised his right to speak out about bigotry, the more we can see who would fight this and who would not. The sooner we start to speak up, even if feelings get bruised, or children get startled, the sooner they will know that we are not too nice to stand up for our neighbors, against injustice. They need to know that as soon as possible.

The difference between us and Republicans is they take a no-holds barred approach and they're doing it in their fight to hurt people. Even when we are being hurt or defending the weak, Democrats want to be kind and mannerly and polite. Even when it may be life or death. You must always be polite and not offend.

I'm not even going to respond to you saying how mean i am. Because i think many Americans are being willfully blind and ignorant about what this man, led by Bannon, has in store for us.

[CentralMass]

1. It would serve no constructive purpose..

[lastlib]

19. I'd have NO problem telling her to proceed with self-fornication!

AND take her daddy with her! She is making an adult decision to participate in this clusterf*ck of a regime, and its policies, she owns them nearly as much as he does. Like someone told me once, "It's the COWARD who 'just goes along'--and the world has enough cowards."

[TheBlackAdder]

42. The situation did not warrant such rude behavior to me, esp. in a confined commutation setting.

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This whole "telling people off" thing is really devolving our culture and discourse.

While I am not in any way favorable to her practices or family behavior, I would have come to her defense.


This bullshit of harassing people in a public setting should end.


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[cwydro]

46. Exactly, and especially this is not appropriate on a plane.

What a great example they set for their own child. Not.

[Bohunk68]

54. Yes, it should. And that should be started from the top of the party.

Because those are the people with the most influence. Like another DU'er posted: You can't reason people out of a position they did not reason themselves into. The Trumps should suffer the same consequences of their evilness as anyone else, regardless of their gender. They made the original offensive remarks, then they should defend those remarks.

[EffieBlack]

58. Then we are no better than they are

Which kind of defeats the whole purpose . . .

[Bohunk68]

65. Then, one has to ask what is your purpose?

Is it the same as everyone else's? Or, have you got a different agenda? Being "better" than someone else is only in your own eyes and accomplishes, what? It only makes the person who says it, feel superior about themselves.

[crazycatlady]

2. I generally leave candidates' children alone

They did not sign up for this and their privacy should be respected. HOwever, I make an exception for children who take an active role in the campaign and put themselves in the spotlight.

Of Trump's kids, only Barron and Tiffany should be left alone. Ivanka, Jr, and Eric are fair game. Especially if Ivanka is assuming the role of FLOTUS

[Ilsa]

3. I would probably ignore her.

If she asked anything of me, then I'd tell her to go suck it because she helped get her monster daddy elected.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

4. As many pointed out, it's not so much whether it's appropriate to vent at Ivanka...

It's whether it's appropriate to do it while boarding an airplane, giving all indications that you'll continue to do it once it's airborne.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

30. Yeah, that's a guarantee that you're going to get thrown off the plane. NT

[LonePirate]

5. I just need to see her on the street and then I will speak my mind.

Fuck every last one of those Nazi-enabling, country destroying assholes.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

55. Even these ones?

Ivanka's kids were present:

[LonePirate]

56. The presence of kids should not deter one from speaking against the destruction of our country.

What's more important to you? Being polite in front of her children or planting a seed in her head that might convince her to pull her father back from the brink of destroying this country?

The time for civility has past given the grave threats we now face.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

62. What the hell is wrong with you?

You NEVER behave in a way that could EVER even potentially harm a child. NEVER...not even in speaking out against the orange asshole. You NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do ANYTHING to harm a child. The second you pull that shit you are no better than the orange douche bag.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

64. That's just plain DUMB

I'll warn you right now that if you think for one second that trying to guilt me or anyone else into agreeing with such an absolutely ignorant notion will work you have got another thing coming.

First...young children should NEVER be exposed to the kind of happy horseshit you and some others are promoting. It is TRAUMATIC to do that to a child. There is a name for that and it's called CHILD ABUSE. Only a completely daft shit for brains would go out of their way to approach, confront and start shit with parents in the presence of a child. ANYONE who would do that is a sorry excuse for a human being and is JUST as bad as the alt-right assholes that are trying to use intimidating to force and scare people into agreeing with their twisted thinking.

Saying that anyone who would not be a child abuser supports Trump is the most idiotic thing I think I have ever seen. I swear that I've been seeing more hatred and vile bullshit posted right here on this site than I've ever had the displeasure or witnessing before. It's mighty UGLY. So that is what this website has become? Hatred, ugliness and idiocy? If that's how it's going to be then Democrats deserve to lose.

[Siwsan]

6. It bothered me that her children were there

Could have just been her daughter - not sure - but no child should be subjected to that sort of fright.

The best way to confront Ivanka is by not buying her merchandise.

[meow2u3]

20. Who the hell can afford her merchandise?

besides millionaires and billionaires?

Wealthy Dems, boycott Ivanka. We poor folks boycott her stuff by default.

[Siwsan]

21. I confess, I have no idea where they are sold

I saw the list of stores on the boycott list and some of them were not particularly high end.

But regardless, it bothers me that this happened in front of her children. Not being able to afford her clothes does not make that ok.

[SMC22307]

22. Are you kidding? I saw an Ivanka Trump sweater at TJ Maxx.

I don't know anything about her line, but I picked it up, then put it right back down when I saw the label. Forgot to check which cheap-labor country it was made.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

32. I saw a ***** shirt at the Goodwill last year.

I looked it over. Cheap material, godawful styling. Overall, dreadful. Nothing I'd want to wear, ever.

[Johnathan146]

26. A lot of her stuff is under 100 bucks. Some under 50

Sure 100 bucks for a sweatshirt or dress is too expensive for some people, but you dont have to be a millionaire to afford it.

[yeoman6987]

7. I would never be rude to her. Why should I? On a plane is just dumb.

On a plane with her children even worse. Just made the guy look dumb for no reason.

[forthemiddle]

8. I agree about Sasha and Malia

They are not equivalent, but how would you feel if someone accosted Chelsea in front of her children?
She certainly took an active role in the Clinton campaign.

[avebury]

11. You can't really compare Chelsea to Ivanka.

I can't see Chelsea sitting in on meetings with her Mother and a foreign leader. I don't see Chelsea ever taking an office and office staff in the WH. I don't see Chelsea's husband pushing himself into the WH and trying to publicly influence policy. I don't ever see Chelsea as acting like a co-President the way Ivanka, Jr and Eric do. I don't see Chelsea selling access to the WH and the Presidency. Chelsea has always handled her self with grace and dignity. The Trump family are nothing but grifters.

Yes Chelsea supported her mother as a daughter would not, not as a way to try to profit the family brand. Chelsea and Ivanka are polar opposites.

[catsudon]

16. some people would

But you can compare to chelsea to ivanka... stay with me now.

OF COURSE we (ie, our side) do NOT see them as same (although I still remember they were good friends at one point).

The Right would come up with something to paint it in a way we paint ivanka. saying it is a false equivalency is true from only our point view and possibly some independents.

So, yes it is bad optics, and I certainly don't want an unhinged right winger accosting Chelsea with her child in the plane due to her involvement in the Clinton foundation. It just looks bad.

[greymattermom]

9. Just remind her that many of the people who want Muslims to register

think the same thing about Jews. Pretend to be one of their fans, and ask when she is going to register.

[Throd 2.0]

10. Hurling verbal abuse at strangers doesn't convice them.

It might make you feel better to lash out at them, but if your goal is make them rethink their position, it isn't a very effective tactic.

[SharonClark]

12. I agree.

[Emilybemily]

13. I would give her the finger

Right to the face if I ever saw that little turd. She does not fall into the category of Presidential children.

[libtodeath]

14. Her and cheato want policies that will cause thousands of children to starve to death or die

from lack of health care.
I dont give a shit about playing nice with such monsters.

[mythology]

15. It would take one of two things

Either I'd have to become a much worse human being, or I'd need to see evidence that acting like an asshat is productive.

I'm sorry you think this is appropriate or productive behavior. If the guy had merely said "hey your dad is a bigot and commits sexual assault" and walked off, I'd have no objections. But acting like Trump or the worst of his supporters isn't helpful.

[BigDemVoter]

17. She's a completed entitled dumb ass

but I would probably ignore her. She's about as deep as a dime and doesn't even merit a second thought.

[Hekate]

18. For her to be on a stage speaking in public. What the hell is your problem?

Do you WANT to be roughed up by Daddy's thugs? Do you WANT to be hustled off in handcuffs? Please let us know if martyrdom is your aim, because it surely is not mine.

[yagotme]

23. I think what really bothers me about all this,

is that if you boil it down to the basics, a person confronted another person on an aircraft, the first person was the aggressor, appearing to the crew that this was not going to calm down, therefore the first person was ejected from the flight. Politics or not, this was just not a good place/time for this. Ivanka and family (kids, too) are paid customers of that flight, and being openly harassed wasn't a nice thing to do. I know, the theme is to no longer be nice, stand up, make your voice heard, but unless you want to come off as the right wingers believe you to be, a total jerk, then time your protest to the betterment of the party. Smarter thing would have been to say something while disembarking, providing "escape" possibilities for all involved. Doing this at the beginning of a flight, in coach, wasn't very bright.

[EffieBlack]

59. Perfectly said

[HoneyBadger]

66. I suspect that tweeting that you are going after the President Elect's daughter traditionally gets

you Secret Service attention for the rest of your life. Making sure that your whereabouts are known when the President is in the same town (NYC), that sort of thing. In any case, you are on someone's naughty list.

[yagotme]

68. Possible candidate for no-fly list also, I presume. n/t

[Iggo]

24. Near proximity. (n/t)

[hamsterjill]

25. I would probably ask her how she can sleep at night.

I don't believe for one second that she or her husband or brothers are innocents. They have learned from the master as to screwing people over.

[sfwriter]

27. If she has a role in the administration, she is fair game.

Access, the first lady's office etc. would open her up for me. After that, the level of outrage should match her actions.

I'm a public shaming advocate in cases like this. I loved it when someone ruined Condi Rice's shoe shopping trip.

[MFM008]

28. at first sight.

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[HoneyBadger]

29. Ivanka plans to champion climate change and child care within the Trump admin

It would take writing off those issues. Unless you feel that being rude will get her to lend more support rather than less.

[LaydeeBug]

33. Bullshit. You don't appoint climate change deniers and then pretend "First Lady Daughter" is going

to undo it.

And FUCK the whiny veiled threat of "don't be mean to her, she might not lend support to your cause". That is some straight up bullshit right there.

[Iggo]

37. Straight up.

[LaydeeBug]

31. Thank you for this. People should not claim the moral high ground while they're standing in bullshit

She should called out for aiding and abetting the enemy at every turn. Fuck these motherfuckers.

[Binkie The Clown]

34. Well, she would have to be within shouting distance from me. Yup. That would do it. n/t

[JNelson6563]

35. I would remove myself from where any of them appeared.

And would be subtle but clear about why I was leaving the area.

That's as rude as I would get because I (sometimes) like to keep that higher ground.

[Madam45for2923]

36. Ivanka and Trump better go everywhere with their children as shields!

and thus welcome to proceed with their NAZI/Putin plans!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

38. It would take Chelsea Clinton de-friending her.

I follow whatever the Clintons do.


I wouldn't do much more than express my concerns about her father as President. If I only had about 10 seconds to get down to essentials, I'd suggest that her father spend more time learning about reality and less time yapping!

[phleshdef]

39. Nothing. I am not a classless asshole.

Ivanka is nothing to me, not a threat, not an enemy. Donald Dipshit is a threat and my enemy.

[adigal]

40. What part of her workong in the West Wing, sitting in on Daddy's meetings,

Being a part of his team did you miss?

[phleshdef]

41. Don't care. Not gonna harass her. Act like a grown up.

[adigal]

43. Grown ups speak up when people enable evil

Ivanka gets a pass, I guess, because she is a pretty blonde. People dont see her evil.

[phleshdef]

45. If you think harassing someone on a plane in front of their kids...

...is acting like an adult, then your opinion on being a grown up is worthless. Furthermore, if you believe is achieved anything positive for our side, then we really don't need you on our side anymore as you are a childish liability.

[adigal]

47. It's NOT harassment...it's speaking up nt

[phleshdef]

48. Its achieving absolutely nothing other than to make the Trump family looks like sympathetic figures.

....to any NORMAL human being.

[Yurovsky]

67. Exactly... you probably can't buy positive press like that...

poor, poor Ivanka and her children... that is what 99.9% of rational people thought.

If the Left spends the next 4 years acting like pissy-pants toddlers screaming at women and children, Trump will coast to re-election in 4 years. I believe we'll fare better if we stick to the facts and leave the infantile emotionalism to the opposition.

[dionysus]

44. I wouldn't, because they wouldn't care, and i wouldn't want the hassle of

Being accosted by their security, or police.

There isnt any possible return on that investment.

[Wounded Bear]

49. I would just be cool, or maybe a bit aloof....

?v=3

[Raine]

50. I don't treat people rude, IMO you do more harm them good

with that kind of behavior.

[MadDAsHell]

51. Why did you call out the man's sexual orientation? nt

[adigal]

69. Because as a gay man, the Trump adminstration wants to take away his rights

And "re-educate him" with electro-shock treament.

How do you NOT know this?

[MFM008]

52. No sympathy

For anyone in his family. No matter the age.

[Lil Missy]

53. I think I could find more constructive and productive things to worry about.

[EffieBlack]

57. I was raised not to be rude to anyone - and not to lower my personal standards of behavior based

upon the behavior or morals of others.

My activism and advocacy are in no way undermined by not treating the family members of those I disdain with rudeness and incivility.

[EffieBlack]

60. There is a difference between speaking one's mind and being a rude jerk

Unfortunately, it seems that some of us don't understand the distinction and, thus, are lurching toward the latter.

[enid602]

61. Ivanka iis probably the only woman in the USA who would be safer by walking around in a birka.

For sure