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Voter says he was uninformed when he cast his vote for Trump (Original Post) iluvtennis Dec 2016 OP
sounds a bit like mocking trump voters while at the same time JI7 Dec 2016 #1
It takes courage to admit when you admit you didn't know and don't know underthematrix Dec 2016 #2
this sounds more like a frustrated Dem than an actual Trump voter. Takket Dec 2016 #3
My first reaction as well.. Who knows... pangaia Dec 2016 #9
Yep. Doesn't ring true. COLGATE4 Dec 2016 #30
Didn't ring true to me either. Someone who was that clueless about moonscape Dec 2016 #42
Yup, it's bs. pintobean Dec 2016 #44
YES Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #66
Agree 100% SharonClark Dec 2016 #45
I agree. Chemisse Dec 2016 #57
Tough shit pal. oasis Dec 2016 #4
ZERO SYMPATHY! Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #5
Truth. nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #6
Yeah you are MFM008 Dec 2016 #7
There is your problem, a union man voting Republican! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #8
Yep, brainwashed..but still I don't excuse him cuz there are other outlets than Fox to inform urself iluvtennis Dec 2016 #12
They brainwash them to not follow the "lame street" media, or liberal media. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #23
most of those other outlets are also completely worthless. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #25
Sorry, but ... LyndaG Dec 2016 #10
Typical, methinks ailsagirl Dec 2016 #15
We are well past the stage ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #11
Well said. ITA. nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #13
Reasons and excuses are two diff things.being stupid and/or not paying dionysus Dec 2016 #47
Tough ailsagirl Dec 2016 #14
Our MSM is criminally zentrum Dec 2016 #16
And whose fault is it exactly that he is uninformed? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #17
I agree that he cared about no one until HE REALIZED HE WOULD LOSE his healthcare. nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #20
Bingo. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #22
Agree and very repug like selfishness lunasun Dec 2016 #27
Great points USALiberal Dec 2016 #39
I work with teachers who vote Repub, say we don't need the Union adigal Dec 2016 #43
Ahh, what an idiot. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #46
The President of our school's teachers union is a Repug Freddie Dec 2016 #58
That is interesting. drray23 Dec 2016 #61
You should be ashamed. Wishing people death because of the way they voted is dionysus Dec 2016 #48
Here's the thing. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #50
We need to be better than the scumbags. dionysus Dec 2016 #51
Being better than them didn't win us the election, did it? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #54
I'd rather have them wake up and vote for us next time, than dionysus Dec 2016 #55
Considering the extent to which they've PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #62
Why do I smell the reek of troll with a hint of Rick Astley coming from this guy? cstanleytech Dec 2016 #18
I'm with you bro... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #24
But... he would never give us up or let us down... dionysus Dec 2016 #49
Yup, if someone wants to troll Republicans and try and turn some... they need to be a bit more KittyWampus Dec 2016 #64
Someone who actually describes himself as a blue-collar working man. kcr Dec 2016 #19
I believe in redemption reflection Dec 2016 #21
DFT was constantly covered FOX media . You never opened you eyes or ears ? WTF lunasun Dec 2016 #26
If he put himself in the rightwing echo chamber of Limbaugh and FOX News... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #28
Voted the way his church directed him. Wonder if he'll confront his pastor about his realization? JudyM Dec 2016 #29
Many churches flat-out told their people to vote for Trump Freddie Dec 2016 #59
The cult of self-righteousness. Kind of fits with the white supremacy movement, even if it's based JudyM Dec 2016 #60
The first wrong thing he said: NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #31
You called it like it is Nasty. nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #34
Didn't the overt racism, misogyny, and fascism bother him just the tiniest bit Tanuki Dec 2016 #32
The racism, misogyny and facism didn't bother his church TexasBushwhacker Dec 2016 #40
Yes he is stupid Emilybemily Dec 2016 #33
Yep nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #35
All Trump voters were poorly informed Gothmog Dec 2016 #36
And that's exactly what he wanted so he could just feed them BS from rallies and twitter nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #37
Trump himself is poorly informed. Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #53
What led him to his epiphany? andym Dec 2016 #38
He is trying to make a rhetorical point oberliner Dec 2016 #41
Voter says he was uninformed when he cast his vote for Trump. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #52
Partly UNinformed, sir. But also MISinformed. Beartracks Dec 2016 #56
This wasn't well done, but THIS IS WHAT YOU POST ON COMMENT SECTIONS. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #63
Other examples of voters who have second thoughts...many can be found on twitter iluvtennis Dec 2016 #65

JI7

(90,547 posts)
1. sounds a bit like mocking trump voters while at the same time
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:22 PM
Dec 2016

Trying to convince them of the same thing.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
2. It takes courage to admit when you admit you didn't know and don't know
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:23 PM
Dec 2016

This is when our empathy needs to be on fleek

moonscape

(5,367 posts)
42. Didn't ring true to me either. Someone who was that clueless about
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:43 PM
Dec 2016

their vote, isn't already aware enough for this sort of introspection.

Not buying.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
5. ZERO SYMPATHY!
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:33 PM
Dec 2016

You did not have to be educated to see the hateful bIle Trump spewed was wrong and realize that this Billionaire Populist was a fraud.

When the GOP said "Let the auto industry go bankrupt", but President Obama said no and bailed it out, you did not need a college degree to see who was on your side.

When the President gave us Obama Care and the GOP tried to gut it 30 + times without offer an alternative, you did not have to read poltical theory to know one group sided with the insurance companies and the other was trying to help people.

Dustlawyer

(10,518 posts)
8. There is your problem, a union man voting Republican!
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 09:11 PM
Dec 2016

Perfect victims for the propaganda. Fox tells them how things are, minorities are dangerous, immigrants taking the jobs, terrorist are working with Obama, whatever. But they swallow it hook, line, and sinker, and it is no accident. The slant on the stories is always designed to make the viewer angry and afraid. It keeps them watching for hours and very useful in opinion control, they manipulate opinion with their BS stories.

If we want to get these Americans back on track we have to be able to bust up the media and enforce some standards in journalism. Separate the ad departments from the news departments would be a nice start.

I know none of this means crap for as long as we are plagued by Trump. This is what explains how they can get this guy to vote against his interest. They brainwashed his ass!

iluvtennis

(20,868 posts)
12. Yep, brainwashed..but still I don't excuse him cuz there are other outlets than Fox to inform urself
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:50 PM
Dec 2016

Dustlawyer

(10,518 posts)
23. They brainwash them to not follow the "lame street" media, or liberal media.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 08:13 AM
Dec 2016

That is why us libtards must be vilified so much, so they will not even listen to what we have to say!

LyndaG

(683 posts)
10. Sorry, but ...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 09:32 PM
Dec 2016

He had enough time to do the research. Said he voted against his own interests THREE TIMES ?? And it just dawned on him now. Wow.

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
11. We are well past the stage ...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 09:37 PM
Dec 2016

... where candidates rely on "whistle-stop campaigns", making speeches from the back of a train in hopes of reaching out to voters.

We have the internet. There is NO excuse for being an ill-informed voter. "The candidate didn't campaign in my area" is NO excuse. "I didn't really understand what the candidate stood for" is NO excuse. "I didn't know that the guy I voted for plans to take away my Obamacare coverage" is NO excuse.

And "I voted the way my church faith-leaders directed me" is THE most pitiful excuse imaginable.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
47. Reasons and excuses are two diff things.being stupid and/or not paying
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:44 AM
Dec 2016

attention is a reason working class ppl vote rethug.

So is racism and sexism.

The question is, i think, is there anything we can do to change it, other than the slow game of waiting for demographics to change?

I think IRV is something that would allow rhe idealists to register their displeasure by voting third party, while at the same time helping a dem get in rather than throwing away their vote. It gets brought up fdom time to ti.e but never holds interest. I don't know how we'd ever get it, though. It's about as likelyas getting rid of the EC.

I know prejudiced attitudes can be corrected on an individual basis, but i can't see how we would attack it large scale.

We should have learned the lesson from this election that relying solely on firing up the base leaves precious little margin for error, seeing as how trumps margi s in his swing state victories were small.

What do tou think we should do?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,729 posts)
17. And whose fault is it exactly that he is uninformed?
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:06 PM
Dec 2016

Not mine. Not the Democrats. Not really the Republicans. But his own fault.

I just wish that only those who voted for Trump could be the recipients of no more ACA, cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. Losing their jobs to even more outsourcing. Unfortunately, we all get to suffer equally from those things.

I have nothing but contempt for people like him. It was HIS responsibility to inform himself about the issues before casting his vote.

And he's a union member, clearly oblivious to the benefits unions have given all of us. Maybe he could move to China and get a job in a factory where they have nets so that the employees there who jump off to kill themselves can't even do that. Maybe then he'd begin to comprehend what unions have accomplished.

Oh, and I sincerely hope he has a pre-existing condition that means he can't get healthcare under whatever the new system is, and that he dies a painful, lingering death.

And no, I'm not remotely ashamed of what I've posted. People like him deserve it, because he did not give a flying fuck about anyone else until the last week or two.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,729 posts)
22. Bingo.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:44 PM
Dec 2016

He didn't give a flying fuck about anyone else. But, OMG! Now that HE'S at risk of losing HIS healthcare? Woah! Now it's personal. Well, fuck him, and everyone else like him who didn't care about anyone else, but who suddenly cares because it's personal.

The selfishness is truly monstrous.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
43. I work with teachers who vote Repub, say we don't need the Union
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:53 PM
Dec 2016

One of them has heart disease and celiac disease, very bad. He takes of all his sick days every year, about 25, and must cost the insurance company a fortune. Imalways tell him, "If we lose the union and yenure, you are the first to go." H says the administration would NEVER do that. I just laugh wickedly nowadays and walk away.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,729 posts)
46. Ahh, what an idiot.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:24 AM
Dec 2016

Or as the Irish would say, what a feckin idjit.

This man really does have health issues, the exact sort of thing he needs sick days AND good health care for. I really wish he'd be thrown to the wolves, tossed out to fend for himself on the open market. He'd FINALLY understand what "pre-existing" condition actually means, not only for him but for many millions of others.

Freddie

(9,696 posts)
58. The President of our school's teachers union is a Repug
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:06 AM
Dec 2016

I want to scream. Is he really that dense he can't see that he'd lose all the good wages and benefits he's worked so hard for in a split second if his party gets their way? (Answer: yes).

drray23

(7,966 posts)
61. That is interesting.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:22 AM
Dec 2016

Its the same thing I hear constantly from Trump supporters. They refuse to believe that anything that would affect them directly will be done by the trump administration. Oh no they wont take my medicare or social security, etc... im not sure what gives them this reassurance.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
48. You should be ashamed. Wishing people death because of the way they voted is
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:52 AM
Dec 2016

scumbaggery. Not to mention, toothless Internet tuff guy braggadocio doesn't accompliah anything vut make people laugh at you.

Becoming what you claim to hate is no way to win, and the rethugs are better at hatred than you are.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,729 posts)
50. Here's the thing.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:00 AM
Dec 2016

This jerk doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else. He doesn't care if others die miserably because they don't have health care. Why should I wish anything better for him?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,729 posts)
54. Being better than them didn't win us the election, did it?
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:33 AM
Dec 2016

We need to meet them at their level, because that's the only thing they understand.

So all those Trump voters who are now shocked, just shocked to learn they may lose health care coverage, or that the minimum wage may be cut, do not deserve one ounce of sympathy. They need to be mocked and vilified for being so fucking stupid as to vote the way they did.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
55. I'd rather have them wake up and vote for us next time, than
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:40 AM
Dec 2016

throw some schoolyard names at them just to be internet-tuff

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,729 posts)
62. Considering the extent to which they've
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:47 PM
Dec 2016

been happy to throw schoolyard names at us, I think they need to be on the receiving end for a while. Maybe think real hard about "treating others the way you'd want to be treated."

We've long been on the receiving end of that, especially with the truly vile things that have been said about President Obama, his wife, and daughters. And even at our collective worst, we will come nowhere near the offensive garbage they've come up with.

Wounded Bear

(60,695 posts)
24. I'm with you bro...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:14 AM
Dec 2016

that post stinks to high heaven of some troll trying for a sick joke.

I'm neither laughing, nor feeling a lot of sympathy or empathy with the writer of that FB post.

Not buying it.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
64. Yup, if someone wants to troll Republicans and try and turn some... they need to be a bit more
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:58 PM
Dec 2016

convincing.

I'm not knocking anyone trying this tactic to reach people.

kcr

(15,522 posts)
19. Someone who actually describes himself as a blue-collar working man.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:20 PM
Dec 2016

And actually used phrases like voted against his own self interests. That is just so neat!

Cool story.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
21. I believe in redemption
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:38 PM
Dec 2016

But he is going to have to live with the consequences of this tragedy. We all are.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,044 posts)
28. If he put himself in the rightwing echo chamber of Limbaugh and FOX News...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:14 AM
Dec 2016

he probably was misinformed. That's what they do.

Limbaugh even said that polls like USC/LATimes that predicted a popular vote win for Trump were vindicated after the election... despite how Clinton won the popular vote!

JudyM

(29,517 posts)
29. Voted the way his church directed him. Wonder if he'll confront his pastor about his realization?
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:15 AM
Dec 2016

That might be the most positive inroad he can make.

This Pope is going in the right direction, hopefully now that he sees that church teachings had a hand in getting tRump over the line he will redouble his efforts at liberalizing church doctrine and communicating this down the line.

Freddie

(9,696 posts)
59. Many churches flat-out told their people to vote for Trump
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:53 AM
Dec 2016

Because of "pro-life justices." That's the ONLY issue to those people.

JudyM

(29,517 posts)
60. The cult of self-righteousness. Kind of fits with the white supremacy movement, even if it's based
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:51 AM
Dec 2016

on supposed concern for others.

Sad that we lose so very much in exchange.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
31. The first wrong thing he said:
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:18 AM
Dec 2016

"I am not stupid." Everything--everything he said and did leading up to his vote was obviously, horribly, almost criminally stupid: he voted the way his "church faith-leaders" directed him; he watched Fox News exclusively. Did he never hear of the Internet? Or, lacking access to that, newspapers, other channels? It's nobody's fault but his that he was "uninformed and unaware" and (get this!) "deceived."

He sleepwalked through the election. What he can do now, since he asks, is to join those of us who plan to resist at every opportunity. Get involved. Write to his Congresspeople. Join the Democratic party and volunteer for it.

Above all, stop being stupid!

Tanuki

(15,322 posts)
32. Didn't the overt racism, misogyny, and fascism bother him just the tiniest bit
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:18 AM
Dec 2016

in the months-long lead-up to the election? Was it only when he realized the now-unfettered GOP would be able to abolish the ACA, as they have been trying to do with dozens of votes ever since it was passed, that he saw a problem? I don't get what it is that he suddenly understands, other than that his own personal situation may be affected. And since he is a veteran, he could receive his healthcare through the VA, so even that sounds odd.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,680 posts)
40. The racism, misogyny and facism didn't bother his church
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 05:55 PM
Dec 2016

He said he wasn't that political but did what hos church leaders told him to.

And that my friends is why churches should be TAXED.

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
53. Trump himself is poorly informed.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:18 AM
Dec 2016

The man was a legit birther FFS.

Take away his celebrity and enormous bank balance, and Trump is no different than the morons who attend his rallies.

andym

(5,689 posts)
38. What led him to his epiphany?
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:09 PM
Dec 2016

If this is real. it would be very useful to know what changed his mind so quickly.

Beartracks

(13,579 posts)
56. Partly UNinformed, sir. But also MISinformed.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:44 AM
Dec 2016

FOX News is a misinformation machine.

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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
63. This wasn't well done, but THIS IS WHAT YOU POST ON COMMENT SECTIONS.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:56 PM
Dec 2016

Russia has paid troll armies posting smack about Democrats.

Republicans do it for free.

It's time for Democrats and Liberals to fight back. For free.

This wasn't very convincing. But with a bit of tweaking, it would sound better.

Spare me the outrage fellow DU'ers. Human beings are hardwired to love narratives and story-telling.

It convinces people in a way that a rational argument does. And that goes for ALL of us. Liberals, Conservatives and FOX zombies.

iluvtennis

(20,868 posts)
65. Other examples of voters who have second thoughts...many can be found on twitter
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:19 AM
Dec 2016

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