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Congress Must Impeach Trump On Day One...... (Original Post) Iamaartist Dec 2016 OP
Sadly it won't help because Pence might be worse. Hoyt Dec 2016 #1
Hoyt Iamaartist Dec 2016 #3
At least he has the big R tied to him gilpo Dec 2016 #15
please stop w this false equivalence. mopinko Dec 2016 #4
This nt Atticus Dec 2016 #7
History suggests marybourg Dec 2016 #8
this is a real problem, i agree. mopinko Dec 2016 #9
Yes, I see it that way also. marybourg Dec 2016 #12
The Dems can't even utter the word "impeachment"... First Speaker Dec 2016 #13
mopinko is correct jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #10
Pence seems less dangerous to me with the nuclear codes, but... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #5
Don't hold your breath kudzu22 Dec 2016 #2
So let me understand this . Dems fk up their chance to not only prevent Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #6
It does seem like it might have been a useful talking point circa mid October HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #11
Yeah... Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #14
Lucovich left out two of the most important co-presidents: Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #16
If Republicans lead an effort to impeach Trump, the base will go ballistic. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #17
the trump foundation scam gives congress the fodder to do it Takket Dec 2016 #18
thug margins are not impeachment proof, imho. mopinko Dec 2016 #19
It takes 67 votes for the Senate to "convict" onenote Dec 2016 #20
i didnt say it would be easy, the thing is mopinko Dec 2016 #22
You may be misreading Congressional repubs antipathy to Trump onenote Dec 2016 #23
and i think you are assuming the old rules will apply. mopinko Dec 2016 #24
To paraphrase Morgan Freeman... Orsino Dec 2016 #21

mopinko

(71,829 posts)
4. please stop w this false equivalence.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 01:55 PM
Dec 2016

cheeto is in a league of his own. a unique threat to our whole system.

bad as pence is, he is not even in the same ballpark.
besides which, after an impeachment, i suspect the whole party would be a little more careful about what they try to push.
they seem blissfully unaware that they have no real mandate. but after an impeachment, even a failed one, the party will turn inward, and start picking the flesh off their own carcasses instead of ours.

impeach away people. that is the least we can do to wipe this orange stain from our democracy.

marybourg

(13,189 posts)
8. History suggests
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

that the impeachment of a Publican president will cause the attempted impeachment of every subsequent Dem president until the end of time. Not saying it shouldn't be done, but let's go into it with our eyes open.

mopinko

(71,829 posts)
9. this is a real problem, i agree.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:09 PM
Dec 2016

i see a straight line from forcing nixon out to the impeachment of bill clinton. their projection is all they have.

marybourg

(13,189 posts)
12. Yes, I see it that way also.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:23 PM
Dec 2016

They had a failed presidency and were determined that the Dems would have one also.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
13. The Dems can't even utter the word "impeachment"...
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:35 PM
Dec 2016

...let the Repubs do it. Trump is their problem; let them take charge. If Trump embarrasses the country so much that even McConnell, Ryan, and Co feel that action must be taken, them maybe--just maybe--they'll learn a lesson, and the fever might break just a little bit in their ranks. And if not, let them assume the full responsibility.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
10. mopinko is correct
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:39 PM
Dec 2016

Pence is evil, but not ignorant. Cheeto is a psychopath with knowledge of a 3rd grader.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,044 posts)
5. Pence seems less dangerous to me with the nuclear codes, but...
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 01:57 PM
Dec 2016

possibly worse policy-wise.

I took this quiz last year to see which candidates supposedly best matched my policy beliefs, and Pence was at the bottom with a score of ZERO!
http://www.ontheissues.org/Quiz/Quiz2016.asp?quiz=Pres2016

The quiz is quick, and too simple, but Warren and Sanders were at the top for me. Clinton was around 4th. Chafee and O'Malley were at the bottom among the Democrats for me, but still scored much higher than any of the Republicans.

 

Ohioblue22

(1,430 posts)
6. So let me understand this . Dems fk up their chance to not only prevent
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:01 PM
Dec 2016

Trump but they fk up the chance to shape our judiciary for the next generation by not voting and now we're reduced to hoping the gop gets rid of him for us. How fkd up is that when all the dems had to do was vote

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
11. It does seem like it might have been a useful talking point circa mid October
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:30 PM
Dec 2016

Plus it would not have been an attack ad, so one can hold the moral high ground.

Too complex for a 30 second spot, but would have worked on the Sunday shows. Oh well.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,029 posts)
16. Lucovich left out two of the most important co-presidents:
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 10:33 PM
Dec 2016

Jared Kushner and his father, convicted felon, Charles Kushner.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/trump-clinton-in-laws-mezvinksy-kushner-213804

Chelsea Clinton's husband's father has a criminal past as well, but I do not believe Hillary was planning to ask for security clearance for him and Chelsea. He was not a major player in her campaign, unlike with Kushner. Totally different story.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
17. If Republicans lead an effort to impeach Trump, the base will go ballistic.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 10:56 PM
Dec 2016

Trump has a cult following. The GOP would be torn asunder.

mopinko

(71,829 posts)
19. thug margins are not impeachment proof, imho.
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 12:24 AM
Dec 2016

with mc cain, graham and snow.

i think the tea party caucus is sort of a wild card assuming they are not all koch puppets. if he finds a way to piss off a faction or 2, like these boneheads eventually will be pissed off i am pretty sure, all you need is a colossal fail that gets jumped on the media, and it is nailbiters city, get your tickets right here folks.

i think the big boys would love it.

onenote

(44,658 posts)
20. It takes 67 votes for the Senate to "convict"
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 08:46 AM
Dec 2016

There are 48 Democrats and Independents. Add to them (it's not realistic, but I'll play along) Graham, McCain, and Snowe. You've got 51. Name the other 16 Senate Republicans that would join forces to convict.

This of course assumes that there are 24 republican house members that would vote with 100 percent of House members to impeach.

Yes, the margins are impeachment proof.

mopinko

(71,829 posts)
22. i didnt say it would be easy, the thing is
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 09:49 AM
Dec 2016

i am just not that sure that all the old rules of party mean as much as they have for the last 8 years. yeah, they ended up backing him, but they did it reluctantly and i think many of them are about to get their oxen gored.

it all depends of just how obviously and blatantly mad kind cheeto wields his power.

onenote

(44,658 posts)
23. You may be misreading Congressional repubs antipathy to Trump
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 10:59 AM
Dec 2016

Was he the first choice of most elected repubs? Absolutely not. Maybe not even the tenth choice.

But he got more votes than all of the repub candidates for House combined. They will all be standing for re-election in two years. Any one of them that goes after Trump will face a primary opponent.

They will not rock the boat.

mopinko

(71,829 posts)
24. and i think you are assuming the old rules will apply.
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 11:24 AM
Dec 2016

i suspect at some point the long knives are going to come out, that's all.
i also suspect that a lot of them resent having to bow down to the new king.
and if things get ugly enough, they will start worrying about a primary from the other side, as well.

interesting times. we shall see.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
21. To paraphrase Morgan Freeman...
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 09:10 AM
Dec 2016

...they don't "gotta" do nothin' but stay white and die.

I'm not looking for an obstructionist Congress to turn activist anytime soon. Not on any real issue.

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