Occupy Cleveland canceled May Day protest plans to march in the city because of this:
5 anarchists nabbed in plot to blow up Ohio bridge
Occupy Cleveland canceled May Day protest plans to march in the city and hang signs after “we awoke to the news of the arrests,” coordinator Johnny Peskar, 22, told msnbc.com.
“We don’t need any implications in this nonsense,” Peskar said.
Occupy organizers had seen a few in the plot hanging around earlier events, but their actions were “autonomous,” he said.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/01/11485641-5-anarchists-nabbed-in-plot-to-blow-up-ohio-bridge?lite
This is a shame they couldn't go forward. They aren't about this.
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...but the frigging borg needs to stand up and vehemently repudiate these loser - assholes. They are getting their nasty stink on a good idea.
Bunch of stupid, ugly-ass, loser punks.
matters (particularly when you are completely wrong--as you are in this instance).
That's a very rightwing and authoritarian trait, ascribing motives and attitudes to people you don't even know, without even attempting to have a civil discussion with them--but I guess you have just gotta be a toughie and "throw down" so I'll know just how cool and serious you are, could that be it? Or are you simply routinely rude?
And you don't have to care what CNN says--it's not about YOU. No matter how much you might think it is. You already have formed your POV. CNN isn't speaking to you, they are speaking to people with varying opinions who do not have a relationship with the movement.
You have one of those nice, accusatory, insult-flinging days, now! Maybe pick up Dale Carnegie's book and give it a read...couldn't hurt and maybe might help.
You're pissed because I didn't understand the finger thing? 
Please.
And you're mad because I love my family? Good grief.
You really need to get off that high horse before you get altitude sickness. I don't have an act, but it is very clear that you do, and it is very sad, pathetic, angry and small.
North Koreans like mindless cheerleading too. A movement with depth can withstand sincerely offered suggestions for improvement. One of my suggestions, had it been taken, would have enabled the festivities in Cleveland to continue apace.
I've been urging Occupy to dump and decisively disavow those anarchist black bloc troublemakers for some time, now.
If you have more snark, spew it out and get it over with--I find your conduct disruptive and childish, and I've got better things to do than talk with someone who has their closed mind made up.
Also, they are very clearly repudiated by in the OP by Occupy Cleveland and Occupy in general has repudiated violence and destruction of property. 
Mob confrontation and violence. I'm sorry, but how is this a better answer than expecting the police to a better job?
I explained very clearly why your proposal wasn't reasonable (it requires the protestors to an exercise an authority they don't possess), but clearly you have an agenda.
I'm not doing any of that. I was trying to discuss a topic with someone who wants to fling shit at me, apparently, rather than discuss the topic like an adult.
You have one of those nice days, now, ellisonz--and learn some manners, maybe. At least try to be less obvious when you get personal to avoid effectively debating a topic. You won't have many good discussions if you spend all your time trying to get personal with people who differ from you.
You didn't explain a damn thing--you just made snarky comments about me and were rather rudely dismissive with your "le sigh" foolishness. Bad form.
You are quite welcome to your opinions, but don't expect me to continue to engage you when you act badly, as you're doing now.
Occupy does not have the legal authority to expel any group from a public space, and the distinct impression I get is that you have not been at a street protest lately. That's not bad manners and that's not avoiding the debate topic. That's stating the obvious.
troublemakers to leave, while filming them and putting it up on the net, they'll pretty much know they aren't welcome. (Impractical, illegal)
The "that's not cool, man" paradigm of the sixties doesn't work in this day and age. You've got to get up in their grille--non-violently, of course, but with extreme purpose. Remove their little hoodies and disguises so we can see them--that'll help, too. (Impractical, illegal)
Your hypothetical confrontation is absurd, I don't know why you're in the Occupy group telling posters that they need to initiate a confrontation that is likely to become physical and suggesting acts that are by definition assault. Why are you here?
P.S. The Personal is Political!
"gut check" - This isn't an armed conflict, and I'd be damned if I tried to provoke one. Non-violence is the way.
I'm not impressed with people who talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.
...when you characterize them as "tut-tutting' and saying, "Don't do that, maaaaan." That characterization is false and demeaning.
And merely demanding to know what disruptors are doing would halt their chaos? Really?
Interesting that you mention the effectiveness of recording disruptors--something that Occupiers have been doing from the very beginning. We have occupiers with cameras and cells as well as livestreamers, and they are alerted whenever a disruption occurs. You're really re-inventing the wheel here.
Pondering this challenge from home is one thing. But those who have been in the streets have been facing this challenge for a long time, and they have well-developed tactics, already tested in the streets, to deal with disruptors in nonviolent ways.
It's not easy, and not always successful (especially when the police respond against Occupiers but not against disruptors). But, whether or not you are aware of it, Occupiers do have a well-developed and systematic plan to meet the challenges posed by disruptors who intrude on nonviolent protests.
Please consider: That this is nothing new to Occupy protesters; that reactive tactics have been honed and tested over time; and that Occupiers may not be quite as clueless as you may imagine...maaaaan. 
Occupy does not have the physical power to stop this, the police do, why don't you ask why they're more busy attacking unarmed protestors than stopping the black bloc types.
Occupy has made its disapproval clear.
This #ows movement empowers real people to create real change from the bottom up. We want to see a general assembly in every backyard, on every street corner because we don't need Wall Street and we don't need politicians to build a better society.
http://occupywallst.org/
What you are advocating is aggressive confrontation likely to provoke violence. Honestly, ignoring the anarchists is probably the best way to neutralize them otherwise they have succeeded in co-opting the movement. BTW - when was the last time you went out in the streets and protested?
Hard to believe that these points have to be repeated. At some point, you either get it or you never will.
Looking forward to marching with you in the streets again soon, brother. 
One thing I know about the black bloc types is that they are organized. The idea that you're going to surround them, forcibly remove their face coverings, and mock them without creating a violent situation is laughable. I mean look at the lengths the police will go to protect Neo-Nazis:
Gotta love it. Look forward to seeing you again too!
Saw it when it came out, just watched it again.
To your point that MSM will never give us a fair shake and are the mouthpiece for the 1%...
Yeah I get your point and to a certain extent agree. But the MSM is not monolithic and we have the ability to partially influence what they do.
There are progressive and liberal media that have a positive attitude toward Occupy. They want to cover us but can't support "violence" like breaking things.
Media is kind of a food chain. First get positive coverage on small friendly outlets like Democracy Now, Majority Report, Citizen Radio, Thom Hartmann, etc. If it's a compeling story it might get to the next level. That would be like the shows on Current TV like Young Turks, etc. From there MSNBC will pick it up. Lawrence O'Donnell, Al Sharpton, RachelMaddow, Ed Schultz. Those shows are sympathetic to the movement and will give positive coverage if we give them an opportunity. They have in the past. And on up the chain to CNN, etc.
It is also good when stories go viral natually, saturating all interwebs, bypassing the MSM entirely. But really even in that context, a little positive media coverage goes a long way.
You're 100% right that Occupy is not going to get a fair shake. Any little thing, like one lone person breaking a window, gets blown way out of proportion. And any amount of violence by police seems to be overlooked.
There is a way to get positive coverage by working up the media food chain, but it would take a certain level of organization and discipline. And/or luck. Or not? I don't really know, I'm just saying ideas and reading threads. Not trying to suggest I know exactly what's best.
In the 1990s and 2000s when we protested trade deals and banks, we made a mistake of having not enough serious media strategy. It's a challenge when you're working with loosely organized groups.
I agree that we need (and do) get positive coverage from those who will listen. Shows like Democracy Now & Thom Hartman's show are good to Occupy. The problem comes when the corporate media covers Occupy. Even MSNBC (corporate media) is cold when it comes to Occupy. How much coverage did you see on MSNBC on May 1st? Not much...maybe a passing mention on Occupy's big comeback...are you kidding me?!? We gave many press-releases (I was involved in crafting one) before & after May 1st. We got a few seconds on the "most liberal" network (MSNBC).
This is what Occupy is up against.
Quite frankly, we won't get a fair shake from the M$M until we reach critical mass. That will take time (maybe years). In the meantime, we have to remain vigilant and speak the TRUTH about Occupy. The power structure will try to do their best to make sure we never reach "critical mass." That is the job of the M$M...they carry water for the power structure until popular sentiment makes them change their tactics.
I hope this day comes, but in the meantime we have to make sure the truth gets out there. Even if it is some knucklehead like that annoying U4ikLefty dude on DU 
Peace
-U4ikLefty
This is a discussion board, where adults "discuss." People who "throw down" with "Waaah, that's all you got? You're ignorant!" are name-calling and childish and not worth my time.
I've made plenty of pro-Occupy posts. You linked to threads that contained them. Oh, if only you could read contextually!
Stop running your mouth and do some searching, if you really care. Or don't.
If you are an example of the "Occupy" mindset--and I frankly do not think you, with your confrontational and rude attitude, are--there's trouble ahead. Good thing you don't represent the majority.
Try being less rude, as well--you just might find that to be helpful. I don't see you being put in charge of media at an encampment any time soon!
I'm ashamed that I live in the same state as these idiots :/
The Occupy Cleveland Movement was weak from the start
Why does Ohio have to ruin everything?
