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appalachiablue

(42,863 posts)
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:20 PM Jun 2024

MEDICARE: Delays, Denials, Growing Privatization Leading to Harmful Outcomes in Healthcare

'Delays, denials, debt and the growing privatization of Medicare,' The Guardian, June 3, 2024. - Medicare Advantage enrollees report treatment denials and delays in payment, leading to harmful outcomes in healthcare 🥼
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Jenn Coffey was sick, on several medications, and in and out of the hospital around 2016 when she made a decision that she has come to regret. Having fought off breast cancer, the former emergency medical technician faced numerous complications, and was diagnosed with two rare diseases: complex regional pain syndrome and small fiber neuropathy. “I was terrified,” she said.

“I went into the hospital as a fully functional EMT and came out in a wheelchair, to go on disability income, and I lost everything. I lost my house, I lost everything.”

Coffey, 52, had been selling her belongings and raising money on GoFundMe to cover her medical care. To make things cheaper, she shifted her disability plan from traditional Medicare – a government-run health insurance program for older and disabled people – to Medicare Advantage, a program under which private health insurers contract with the Medicare program to provide health benefits.

With monthly premiums of $18.50 per month on average, Medicare Advantage often looks like a frugal alternative.

However, private insurers keep premiums low by limiting providers and using byzantine cost containment tools such as prior authorization. For Coffey, switching proved more expensive, as her Medicare Advantage provider, UnitedHealthcare, denied requests to cover treatments, medications and infusions she required.

Coffey used to be a Republican state representative in New Hampshire. “I changed a lot over these years,” she said. “I used to think we could fix healthcare.” Her experience with Medicare Advantage is not unusual. Private insurers now cover roughly half of the nation’s 68 million Medicare beneficiaries. Their dominance of this space has grown rapidly over the past two decades – at the expense of patient care, according to healthcare activists and patients, as corporations often deny medical care directed by doctors...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/03/medicare-advantage-privatization
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Also: Reagan, Deregulation & America's Exceptional Rise in Health Care Costs: NYT
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016377845

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MEDICARE: Delays, Denials, Growing Privatization Leading to Harmful Outcomes in Healthcare (Original Post) appalachiablue Jun 2024 OP
cue the apologists to show up Skittles Jun 2024 #1
I'm not an apologist. In fact, I'm not even eligible for a decade plus. jimfields33 Jun 2024 #5
I adore President Bill Clinton! William769 Jun 2024 #28
The delusion that the 'private sector' is better Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #31
Ik, thanks for posting. Privatization is a con, scam. appalachiablue Jun 2024 #6
the goal of privatization is to maximize proffits for private corporations Skittles Jun 2024 #7
Absolutely, it's ALL about money and profit. ETA Reagan started appalachiablue Jun 2024 #9
it kills me to see Dems pimping for privatization Skittles Jun 2024 #13
Exactly. Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #30
They need to take Medicare out of the name wryter2000 Jun 2024 #2
Exactly, gab13by13 Jun 2024 #3
Medigap can be quite pricey Skittles Jun 2024 #4
Disagree that people who choose MA are so stupid they can't make rational decisions, poor maybe. Silent Type Jun 2024 #10
not stupid Skittles Jun 2024 #12
Well, the overall picture is not just you are dumb if you buy MA to the 51% of beneficiaries who voluntarily choose it. Silent Type Jun 2024 #15
orignal Medicare needs some updating Skittles Jun 2024 #19
I didn't understand for the longest time wryter2000 Jun 2024 #33
Well, you can blame Bill Clinton who signed the original legislation Part C, then became Medicare Choice+, then MA. Silent Type Jun 2024 #36
okay, I'll blame him wryter2000 Jun 2024 #38
Exactly duckworth969 Jun 2024 #16
Guess I'm an "apologist." From another article on the first lady, traditional Medicare likely would have denied Silent Type Jun 2024 #8
you need to keep researching Skittles Jun 2024 #11
Maybe, what you/others should do is call their Congresspeople and tell them to stop forcing people into MA Silent Type Jun 2024 #14
I've done plenty Skittles Jun 2024 #18
So, take the benefits they want away from 30+ Million even though traditional Medicare isn't meeting needs. Silent Type Jun 2024 #20
READ ALL OF IT Skittles Jun 2024 #21
If the only way to get these benefits to people is to pay a little extra, I'm fine with that Silent Type Jun 2024 #23
The reason that they have those "benefits that they want" markodochartaigh Jun 2024 #22
Absolutely incorrect. MA has to pay at least the same benefits as Medicare. And Medicare Silent Type Jun 2024 #24
Rather than bore you with anecdotal stories of patients and markodochartaigh Jun 2024 #29
Familiar with organization. They, like OP article, miss the fact that the woman's treatment would not have been covered Silent Type Jun 2024 #35
Not going to happen.? delisen Jun 2024 #32
It's not as though you were not warned . . . AverageOldGuy Jun 2024 #17
The employees at Medicare don't call nonstop every day of the week at dinner time trying to sell you a plan. littlemissmartypants Jun 2024 #25
I cannot say this enough and I will keep saying it till I'm blue in the face William769 Jun 2024 #26
I switched to one myself because they offered dental and eyeglass coverage which I could not have afforded otherwise. cstanleytech Jun 2024 #27
Just a question: how was she even on Medicare anything at 52? sinkingfeeling Jun 2024 #34
Social Security Disability, if approved, can be had at any age. William769 Jun 2024 #39
Guess we need to repeal ACA since the plans are private, as are medigap and drug plans. AND Silent Type Jun 2024 #37
Oy vey. William769 Jun 2024 #40

Skittles

(158,548 posts)
1. cue the apologists to show up
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:22 PM
Jun 2024

you know, the ones who don't care about the privatization of Medicare

*edited to add I do agree that original Medicare needs some tweaking

jimfields33

(18,654 posts)
5. I'm not an apologist. In fact, I'm not even eligible for a decade plus.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:33 PM
Jun 2024

But I really don’t like the bashing of Medicare advantage because President Clinton signed it into law. There is no way, he thought this would screw the elderly. In fact traditional Medicare can be pricy as well. But you don’t hear stories about that.

Skittles

(158,548 posts)
7. the goal of privatization is to maximize proffits for private corporations
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:37 PM
Jun 2024

they don't give a DAMN about anyone's health

appalachiablue

(42,863 posts)
9. Absolutely, it's ALL about money and profit. ETA Reagan started
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:39 PM
Jun 2024

all of this greed nightmare we're living in, with deregulation, more. NYT article added above.

Skittles

(158,548 posts)
13. it kills me to see Dems pimping for privatization
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:46 PM
Jun 2024

I am also disappointed at the feeble efforts being made to stop the corruption.

wryter2000

(47,366 posts)
2. They need to take Medicare out of the name
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:25 PM
Jun 2024

It’s not Medicare. Fewer people would fall for it if they knew it wasn’t Medicare.

gab13by13

(24,931 posts)
3. Exactly,
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:28 PM
Jun 2024

What is being described is Medicare Advantage plans that are sucking Medicare dry.

I have never had an issue with Medicare. I have talked with the people at the hospitals and they all say they love dealing with Medicare.

Go with Medi-Gap if you need a supplement.

Skittles

(158,548 posts)
4. Medigap can be quite pricey
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jun 2024

What the Advantage scam says is HEY, look at this DEAL we are giving you - cheaper and with EXTRA STUFF! It works fine if you stay healthy.....what people don't understand is these companies have INCENTIVE to deny you care, which pretty much EVERYONE will eventually need.

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
10. Disagree that people who choose MA are so stupid they can't make rational decisions, poor maybe.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:42 PM
Jun 2024

People’s circumstances differ.

And, at least for First Lady in article, traditional Medicare wouldn’t have covered her treatments either because they weren’t FDA approved.

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
15. Well, the overall picture is not just you are dumb if you buy MA to the 51% of beneficiaries who voluntarily choose it.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:53 PM
Jun 2024

Skittles

(158,548 posts)
19. orignal Medicare needs some updating
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:32 PM
Jun 2024

but "Advantage" is NOT the answer - it's a SCAM - the more people get on MA, the more Medicare drifts toward COMPLETE PRIVATIZATION - and you KNOW what will happen then

wryter2000

(47,366 posts)
33. I didn't understand for the longest time
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 08:58 AM
Jun 2024

That Medicare Advantage wasn’t Medicare. It’s also easy to confuse with medigap insurance. Truth in advertising would be nice.

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
36. Well, you can blame Bill Clinton who signed the original legislation Part C, then became Medicare Choice+, then MA.
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 09:59 AM
Jun 2024

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
8. Guess I'm an "apologist." From another article on the first lady, traditional Medicare likely would have denied
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:37 PM
Jun 2024

her treatments too because they were not FDA approved. Traditional Medicare rarely covers non-FDA treatments.
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[Talking about pain diagnoses, etc.] “Though it was discovered over 200 years ago, to date it does not have a single solitary treatment approved by the FDA. United Healthcare Medicare DisAdvantage loves to use that against me and as a reason to refuse to cover the lifesaving treatments which I have to have.”

https://medium.com/@jenncoffey/a-personal-story-about-a-medicare-advantage-denial-written-for-psara-education-fund-18c9679d3f25

Again, doubt original Medicare would have covered it.

I did not research the other patients.

Skittles

(158,548 posts)
11. you need to keep researching
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:42 PM
Jun 2024

these Advantage scam companies are seeing RECORD PROFITS which is the entire goal of the privatization of Medicare

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
14. Maybe, what you/others should do is call their Congresspeople and tell them to stop forcing people into MA
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:51 PM
Jun 2024

that has lower premiums, limited dental (but sometimes as much as $3000 annually), grocery allowances, vision, maximum out-of-pocket costs, etc., by putting those benefits into traditional Medicare.

Until then, I'm going to respect peoples choices, and question articles like this that are misleading. Further, if the stories in the article are even close to truth, attorneys would be suing the living heck out of insurance companies.

Hope you noticed Guardian -- which I usually like, but not as sole source -- totally left out bit about FDA approval.

BTW: I have traditional Medicare, but suspect I'll be forced into an MA plan within next few years.

Skittles

(158,548 posts)
18. I've done plenty
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:29 PM
Jun 2024

these scammers are DISGUSTING and they should not be allowed to continue with their deceptive advertising

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
20. So, take the benefits they want away from 30+ Million even though traditional Medicare isn't meeting needs.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:36 PM
Jun 2024

Sorry, we’ll just have to disagree.

I’d much prefer original Medicare have those benefits, but it’s not going to happen. So, I support MA until the government changes things, which doesn’t look likely. YMMV.

Skittles

(158,548 posts)
21. READ ALL OF IT
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:40 PM
Jun 2024

IT IS COSTING ALL OF US

https://captimes.com/opinion/dave-zweifel/opinion-marketing-scams-suck-seniors-into-medicare-advantage-morass/article_2554c6f0-bae2-11ee-b3d8-a7749ae23037.html

Original Medicare needs to be updated but the money to do so is being siphoned away to enrich corporations

done here because it is POINTLESS arguing with people who cannot see that privatization of Medicare is BAD

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
23. If the only way to get these benefits to people is to pay a little extra, I'm fine with that
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:50 PM
Jun 2024

if it helps people.

I’ll cheer if we get those benefits in traditional Medicare. But until that occurs it’s harsh to say, sorry poor people, but we are going to take those benefits away and charge you $250+ a month for a MediGap and drug plan.

markodochartaigh

(1,993 posts)
22. The reason that they have those "benefits that they want"
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:49 PM
Jun 2024

is because they don't actually have Medicare type insurance which will pay for far more, and far more reliably, than their advantage plan will. Of course, until the insurance is really needed for something extremely expensive, they don't know what they don't have. It is like your car insurance giving you a free car wash every month. But when your car is totalled by an uninsured driver all you get is enough money for a down-payment on a bicycle. Insurance can look great if you never have to use it.

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
24. Absolutely incorrect. MA has to pay at least the same benefits as Medicare. And Medicare
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:53 PM
Jun 2024

would have denied the first woman’s treatment that is not FDA approved.

markodochartaigh

(1,993 posts)
29. Rather than bore you with anecdotal stories of patients and
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 01:14 AM
Jun 2024

providers that I personally know, I will post an informative link from an organization working to save Medicare.


https://pnhp.org/taking-advantage/

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
35. Familiar with organization. They, like OP article, miss the fact that the woman's treatment would not have been covered
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 09:57 AM
Jun 2024

under traditional Medicare either because the treatments aren't FDA approved.

delisen

(6,440 posts)
32. Not going to happen.?
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 05:25 AM
Jun 2024

The advantage programs are and have been siphoning off billions from original Medicare. Yes they are busting the Medicare budget and that is a major reason original Medicare has not been able to compete.

My Medicare Advantage program and possibly yours are extremely costly to Medicare although they were supposed to save money. The money savings never happened but the programs have ballooned and are costing Medicare billions unnecessarily.

If they continue as is, they will destroy Medicare and then will be able to squeeze their members even more and increase profits even more. No one will be able to stop them. We will have been divided and conquered.

These companies are not capitalist enterprises. These are simply feeding off taxpayers. They saw a pot of money in Medicare and they wanted it for themselves….and they got congressional Republicans to hand over our money to them


AverageOldGuy

(2,009 posts)
17. It's not as though you were not warned . . .
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 11:26 PM
Jun 2024

. . . Yes, I know, the Medicare advantage ads flood the cable TV channels that old people watch. I know. My wife of 58 years, who is now 82 and slipping mentally, watches old cowboy movies and shows over and over -- we are in a rural VA county and depend on DirecTV, which has a few channels dedicated to old "westerns." She's even memorized the dialogue in some of them. Still, it makes her happy.

These channels are awash in Medicare advantage; funeral and final expense "life insurance;" car breakdown insurance; Camp LeJeune water lawyers; and other scams. The advertisers know where their audience is and know how to grab them.

At least once a day I must explain to her why we stick with standard Medicare and TriCareForLife. She is insulin dependent diabetic who takes a handful of meds twice daily along with five injections of two types of insulin daily. She has had both knees replaced, two session of foot and hand surgery, shoulder surgery -- cost us ZERO. Her meds cost us on average $85 per month.

The truth about the scam that is Medicare Advantage is all over the 'net and needs only a simple Google search to find.

littlemissmartypants

(25,286 posts)
25. The employees at Medicare don't call nonstop every day of the week at dinner time trying to sell you a plan.
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 12:06 AM
Jun 2024

They won't fill your mailbox with "LAST CHANCE" to enroll mailers every week either.

They don't have the time or the money or the inclination because they are actually trying to help people and keep the real Medicare afloat.

I'm sorry, but don’t people even think anymore? I just don't remember so many people being so gullible in the past. Have we become a nation of idiots?

William769

(55,814 posts)
26. I cannot say this enough and I will keep saying it till I'm blue in the face
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 12:08 AM
Jun 2024

Medicare advantage plans have only one job, to make money. The only way they can make money is to cost those who they insure to lose money and or benefits.

I equate Medicare advantage plans to HMO'S of the 90's. Think I'm still wrong? Think of prison privatization. Think I'm still wrong? You have my sympathies.

For the record, I do have as a primary full Medicare, and I carry a supplemental as a secondary.

cstanleytech

(26,936 posts)
27. I switched to one myself because they offered dental and eyeglass coverage which I could not have afforded otherwise.
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 12:10 AM
Jun 2024

sinkingfeeling

(52,964 posts)
34. Just a question: how was she even on Medicare anything at 52?
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 09:37 AM
Jun 2024

"Coffey, 52, had been selling her belongings and raising money on GoFundMe to cover her medical care. To make things cheaper, she shifted her disability plan from traditional Medicare – a government-run health insurance program for older and disabled people – to Medicare Advantage, a program under which private health insurers contract with the Medicare program to provide health benefits."

William769

(55,814 posts)
39. Social Security Disability, if approved, can be had at any age.
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 02:16 PM
Jun 2024

People on Social Security or Social Security Disability will get Medicare after 24 months.

I got Social Security Disability at age 42, I started receiving Medicare at age 44.

Silent Type

(6,471 posts)
37. Guess we need to repeal ACA since the plans are private, as are medigap and drug plans. AND
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 10:06 AM
Jun 2024

traditional Medicare is administered at the local level by-- private insurance companies. Private Insurance companies pay and adjudicate provider claims, audit services, answer your questions, send you notifications, monitor quality, credential providers, make coverage decisions, etc.

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