Where do the illegal guns come from?

[billh58]

Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.

In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.

The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.

According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Although guns stolen from "responsible" gun owners only amount to 10% - 15% of the illegal guns on our streets that is still a significant amount of lethal weapons. The remainder of the gun black market is the result of a failure to regulate and enforce the sale of guns and ammunition.

Dishonest FFLs abound, especially in states with lax gun laws where local law enforcement turns a blind eye to the trafficking of illegal guns. This lack of enforcement leads to the proliferation of guns in places like Chicago and other high crime areas that are trying to curb gun violence.

Support a gun control organization of your choice today, and those Democratic politicians who have not sold their souls to the ALEC/NRA financed right-wing gun lobby. Together we CAN rid our streets of guns and gun violence, and tell the Second Amendment absolutists to leave their guns at home.

[scscholar]

1. Exaclty. It is those gun owners...

that give guns to other gun owners that are responsible for what those gun owners do.

[StarTrombone]

2. Same place heroin, crack, untaxed cigarettes, moonshine

Unprescribed prescription drugs, undocumented domestic help, and a myriad of other illegal things

Criminal smugglers and thugs

[billh58]

4. None of those things you mention

are expressly designed and used for killing people. Nice try though...

[StarTrombone]

8. I thought you were asking where they came from

Not what they are used for

Silly me

[billh58]

9. I didn't know that FFLs

sold undocumented domestic help. Silly me.

[Indydem]

3. Wait, what?

Your solution to the fact that there are demonstrable crimes being committed, and zero enforcement from the ATF, is to attack "Second Amendment absolutists"?

The executive branch has the power to enforce those laws RIGHT NOW. Charge straw purchasers to the furthest extent of the law. Revoke the FFLs of those found to be abusing them.

But your solution is more laws? Or attacking those of us who support the 2A?

Really?

Maybe you should look where the problem actually is.

[billh58]

5. Your Gungeon views

are duly noted, and here's hoping you find happiness with your gun Bubba.

[braddy]

6. Since people are already making guns with 3D printers, where does that put us in 5 years?

[billh58]

7. Oh, I don't know..

Right-wing gun nut's paradise?