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Fatal Distraction: Manhood, Guns, & Violence
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The most immediate reason not to ask about the connection between men and violence is, quite simply, that men wont like it if you do. We are a nation tiptoeing around mens anger, mens ridicule, mens potential to withhold resources (such as funding for battered womens shelters and sexual assault programs), mens potential for retaliation, violent and otherwise, mens defensiveness, and the possibility that men might feel upset or attacked or called out or put upon or made to feel vulnerable or even just sad. In other words, anything that might make them feel uncomfortable as men.
I have seen this again and again over the years that Ive worked on the issue of mens violence. Whether testifying before a Governors Commission or serving on the board of a statewide coalition against domestic violence or consulting with a Commissioner of Public Health, when I point out that since men are the perpetrators of most violence, they must be included in naming the problemas in mens violence against womenthe response has been the same: We cant do that. Men will get upset. Theyll think youre talking about them.
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As a result, when men engage in mass murder, the national focus is on the murder but not the men, beginning with a nationwide outpouring of broken hearts and horror and disbelief that this is happening yet again. All of this is undoubtedly heartfelt and sincere, but it gives way all too quickly to this countrys endless debate about controlling guns. Yes, we must talk about guns because they do kill people in spite of what their defenders say. Killing someone (including yourself) with a gun is far easier and quicker (harder to change your mind) and more certain and therefore more likely than is killing someone with a baseball bat or a knife. The rest of the industrialized world shows clearly how limiting access to guns lowers rates of murder and suicide. So, yes, we must talk about guns. And we must also talk about violence in the culture, from movies to video games. Even the National Rifle Association wants to talk about that.
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Guns and violence are instruments of control, whether used by states or individuals. They otherwise have no intrinsic value of their own. Their value comes from the simple fact that violence works as a means to intimidate, dominate, and control. It works for governments and hunters and police and batterers and parents and schoolyard bullies and corporations and, by extension, anyone who wants to feel larger and more powerful and in control than they otherwise would. The gun has long been valued in this culture as the ultimate tool in the enforcement of control and domination, trumping all else in the assertion of personal control over others. Can anyone forget the scene in Indiana Jones when our hero is confronted with the huge man wielding an equally enormous sword, and the white man unholsters his gun and the crowd roars its approval as he calmly shoots the other man down? The gun is the great equalizer with the potential to elevate even the most weak, shy, or timid above anyone who lacks equivalent firepower. What this makes clear is that violence in this country is not an aberration or a simple product of mental illness. It is an integral part of the American way of life.
http://voicemalemagazine.org/fatal-distraction-manhood-guns-and-violence/
The most immediate reason not to ask about the connection between men and violence is, quite simply, that men wont like it if you do. We are a nation tiptoeing around mens anger, mens ridicule, mens potential to withhold resources (such as funding for battered womens shelters and sexual assault programs), mens potential for retaliation, violent and otherwise, mens defensiveness, and the possibility that men might feel upset or attacked or called out or put upon or made to feel vulnerable or even just sad. In other words, anything that might make them feel uncomfortable as men.
I have seen this again and again over the years that Ive worked on the issue of mens violence. Whether testifying before a Governors Commission or serving on the board of a statewide coalition against domestic violence or consulting with a Commissioner of Public Health, when I point out that since men are the perpetrators of most violence, they must be included in naming the problemas in mens violence against womenthe response has been the same: We cant do that. Men will get upset. Theyll think youre talking about them.
-Snip-
As a result, when men engage in mass murder, the national focus is on the murder but not the men, beginning with a nationwide outpouring of broken hearts and horror and disbelief that this is happening yet again. All of this is undoubtedly heartfelt and sincere, but it gives way all too quickly to this countrys endless debate about controlling guns. Yes, we must talk about guns because they do kill people in spite of what their defenders say. Killing someone (including yourself) with a gun is far easier and quicker (harder to change your mind) and more certain and therefore more likely than is killing someone with a baseball bat or a knife. The rest of the industrialized world shows clearly how limiting access to guns lowers rates of murder and suicide. So, yes, we must talk about guns. And we must also talk about violence in the culture, from movies to video games. Even the National Rifle Association wants to talk about that.
-Snip-
Guns and violence are instruments of control, whether used by states or individuals. They otherwise have no intrinsic value of their own. Their value comes from the simple fact that violence works as a means to intimidate, dominate, and control. It works for governments and hunters and police and batterers and parents and schoolyard bullies and corporations and, by extension, anyone who wants to feel larger and more powerful and in control than they otherwise would. The gun has long been valued in this culture as the ultimate tool in the enforcement of control and domination, trumping all else in the assertion of personal control over others. Can anyone forget the scene in Indiana Jones when our hero is confronted with the huge man wielding an equally enormous sword, and the white man unholsters his gun and the crowd roars its approval as he calmly shoots the other man down? The gun is the great equalizer with the potential to elevate even the most weak, shy, or timid above anyone who lacks equivalent firepower. What this makes clear is that violence in this country is not an aberration or a simple product of mental illness. It is an integral part of the American way of life.
http://voicemalemagazine.org/fatal-distraction-manhood-guns-and-violence/
Second Amendment absolutists and ILA/NRA/GOA apologists claim not to "understand" where the penis-size references to an obsession with guns come from, but the obvious often escapes the zealot.
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Fatal Distraction: Manhood, Guns, & Violence (Original Post)
billh58
Aug 2016
OP
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)1. It's just so obvious
As a guy who grew up in southern small town gun culture this all rings true to me. Toxic masculinity with fatal consequences.
Hard to see how we fix it with reason though. Our culture is so sexist and violent. One third (hopefully no more) of American voters want to vote for an icon of toxic masculinity for president. We outnumber them but they are so much angrier and they're better armed.
A generation more of murdered innocents is unfolding while we pretend it makes no sense.
billh58
(6,641 posts)2. Everything you say
is painfully true, which is why it is so important that we work to elect Democrats who are not on the gun lobby payroll to all levels of government.