Why we need gun control and the origins of this group

[BainsBane]

If we could have a group avatar, this would seem appropriate:

[rdharma]

1. The NRA denied that Lanza or his mother were members....BUT!

BUT......NRA literature and certifications were discovered inside the home.

Among other items the “NRA Guide to the Basics of Pistol Shooting” and NRA certification for Lanza’s mother Nancy.

Oooops, Mr. Lapierre!

[BainsBane]

2. yep, and wasn't this image at their house?

Or is this something created after the fact?

[rdharma]

3. That photo and quote was created by somebody on the internets... after the fact....

But it got enough attention..... that the NRA felt they had to lie about Mrs. Lanza's membership.

You can't get "NRA Certification" without being a MEMBER of the NRA.

Adam and his mom "are the NRA" alright.

[sarisataka]

11. You had me questioning myself, so I had to check

I pulled out a student packet for NRA Basic Pistol. Being an NRA member is not a requirement nor is membership given through the course. There are brochures included on becoming a member.

I checked into some of my competition. There are some instructors who do include membership "Free" as a benefit of taking the course. The NRA has a program where instructors can offer reduced rate memberships and get a kickback for each student who signs up. It means the instructor pays about $15 to give away this "free" offer. The instructors who do this seem to charge $15-$25 more than those who do not give away membership.

[premium]

4. This was created after the fact I believe.

Having an NRA certificate doesn't mean your a member, in CT. you have to go through a Basic Pistol Course to obtain the handgun permit.
Here's CT.'s statues for obtaining one.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?a=4213&q=494614

You are required to complete a handgun safety course, which must consist of no less than the NRA's "Basic Pistol Course," prior to submitting the application. The NRA's "Home Firearms Safety Course" and "First Steps Pistol Orientation Program" are not approved courses.

That's probably what the police found in the house.

[rdharma]

6. NRA's "Basic Pistol Course"

Puhlease, I used to be NRA certified to teach the Basic Pistol and Law enforcement approved courses. Believe me..... NRA doesn't issue you their blessings (in the form of certification) without membership.

[premium]

7. I know exactly what it is,

it's a certificate saying that you completed the course, not a membership certificate.

On edit, I humbly stand corrected, the fee also includes a 1 year membership.
Sorry for doubting you.

[Trunk Monkey]

14. So , it sounds like the were enrolled whether they wanted ot be or not NT

[Trunk Monkey]

13. I took an NRA certified Pistol Safety course for MY CHP with out being an NRA member NT

[rdharma]

15. Sure you did! nt

And may I ask what state would accept that for a CHP?

[Trunk Monkey]

17. Colorado.

As a matter of fact I only took the class so my wife wouldn't have to take it alone, I could have turned in my DD214 and met the training requirement.

I wouldn't be so quick to imply that another DUer is a liar unless you are conversant with the gun laws of all fifty states

[rdharma]

18. It's known as 'CCW' in Colorado.......

..... not a 'CHP'. And it's very clear when you look at the requirements that ANY military experience is accepted.

A NRA "Firearms Safety Course" does not require NRA membership ..... but Colorado specifies "handgun training". And you need to be an NRA member to get that...... like Mrs. Lanza was.

I'm not calling you a liar....... it just sounds like you're not sure of the facts ....... and at the same time trying to give the NRA cover.

[guardian]

21. CHP or CCW

Maybe it depends on the county? For example, Boulder County has a CHP:

http://www.bouldercounty.org/safety/firearms/pages/cwp.aspx

[Trunk Monkey]

22. Taken Directly from the El Paso County Concealed Handgun Permit site.

http://shr.elpasoco.com/Support+Services+Bureau/Concealed+Handgun+Permit.htm


Concealed Handgun Permit:

The El Paso County Sheriff’s Office is experiencing an unusually large volume of phone calls requesting appointments for concealed handgun permits.

The El Paso County Sheriff's Office is pleased to provide you with the following information in order to assist you with the Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP) application process. Below you will find the following information to guide you: application, information packet, required fees, procedures and guidelines for the program. The El Paso County Sheriff's Office Concealed Handgun Program complies with Colorado Revised Statutes regarding concealed handgun permits. (18-12-203 through 18-12-207)

but Colorado specifies "handgun training"

To apply for a concealed handgun permit, you will need to bring the following to your scheduled appointment:

Colorado drivers license or state ID
a completed unsigned application
your original certificate of firearms training issued within the last ten years (acceptable firearms training includes: NRA, Hunter’s Safety, proof of organized shooting competitions, DD2-14, Active Duty Orders)
$52.50 to CBI (MONEY ORDER OR CASHIER’S CHECK ONLY)
$60.00 to the sheriff’s office (cash, personal check, money order or cashier’s check)

Damn I wish I was always right

Edited: BTW where exactly does it specify handgun training?

[guardian]

24. Non-members can take NRA approved courses

and received a course completion certificate that has an NRA logo on the certificate. It is extremely common. An actual NRA certified instructor would know that. You didn't know that. ergo ....

[Hoyt]

8. Whatayabet some NRA lobbyist bribed legislators to add that language? NRA has their bloody hands in

everything. And many folks just ride along with it, either as paid members or free-riders happy to have someone shilling for the lethal weapons industry and their devoted patrons.

[premium]

9. I don't know, it could be possible,

don't really care one way or the other. A permit to own a firearm isn't required in my state so I have no idea how it works, I'm just posting CT's requirements.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

10. You get those from training classes which are open to the public

[lastlib]

12. That's "Mr. LaPeeError"!

[ellisonz]

16. This wins the thread. n/t

[shedevil69taz]

19. you don't need to be a member to get their publications nt

[rdharma]

20. Nobody is talking about their 'publications'

Are they?

[BainsBane]

23. All this talk about whether they were official members of the NRA

seriously, does it matter? He had a shit load of weapons and ammo he used to kill 20 small children. That's the point.

[Progressive dog]

25. Lanza might not have been an NRA member but

the NRA does stand for continuing to enable Lanza and his ilk.
So that is an appropriate avatar.

[BainsBane]

26. exactly

That's the point I was trying to make in a prior post.

[Paladin]

27. Agreed. (nt)