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[billh58]

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[flamin lib]

1. Gunners have their own reality when it come to statistics, studies and research.

They reject the National Crime Victims Survey because it is out of date but embrace Klecks armed resistance numerology even if It's older than the NCVS and based on 5000 random telephone interviews resulting in a handful of defensive gun uses and extrapolated to 2 million adults.

They claim that other studies giving lower studies are faulty because of false negatives, people using guns but keeping it secret from surveyors. That is insanely stupid on its face! Gun use, good or bad, is a rare thing thank goodness. Like any other rare occurrence the likelihood of false negatives vs false positives is is ridiculously low.

Say an event only happens to one in 1000 people. There is a possibility that only one can report a false negative (saying it didn't happen when it did) while 999 can report a false positive. So, as they say, what are the odds?

[billh58]

2. The NRA has made

twisting statistics into an art form, and its apologists and parrots regurgitate the lies at every opportunity. The one big glaring tactic they use is to counter almost any argument with the claim, "but violent crime is declining." Yes it is due to an aging population and improved law enforcement techniques, but the fact remains that the USA's annual (and all time) gun death rate far exceeds that of other Western nations.

Second Amendment gun nuts operate on the theory that if you repeat a lie often enough, it will be accepted as "fact." Their lies are being exposed, and they are being shown to be the right-wing extremists that they really are.