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MH1

(18,158 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:23 PM Mar 2015

Parents mourn their child, lost to suicide by gun.

A 13 yr old boy was just found in my locale, having been missing for some days during awful weather. The worst was assumed, at least by some of us, even though the family of course held out hope; but then it turned out to be worse than that.

He had walked out, apparently upset over an email he'd received, into the woods without his phone or wallet. But as we know now, he did take a gun, and used it to take his life.

I will not post the particulars, although if you're from around here you know the story. I just don't want this discussion to turn up in Google. Come to think of it, even if you're not from around here, you probably know the story, because it has probably happened to a family near you, too.

It wasn't in the published reports, how he got the gun. Did the family normally keep guns? Or did he get it from another kid?

Who knows. It just seems way too easy for a 13 year old, upset over something that appears relatively minor, to pick up a gun, walk out, and end his life.

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MH1

(18,158 posts)
2. That was my first thought too, but maybe not.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:32 PM
Mar 2015

The area isn't one I'd associate with 'gun culture'. But then, gun culture has become so pervasive anymore, who knows? But it also occurred to me it could have easily been another kid he knew.

I feel bad for the family, even if it was a family member that enabled this tragedy.

billh58

(6,641 posts)
3. Teen Suicide—A Big Problem
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:39 PM
Mar 2015
HealthyChidren.org

Suicide is one of the 3 leading causes of death for 13- to 19-year-olds in the United States. An average of 4 American teenagers commit suicide every day.

Does a gun in the home increase the chance of suicide? YES!

• In states where there are more guns, more people commit suicide.
• Studies have shown that the risk of suicide is 4 to 10 times higher in homes with guns than in those without.
• If the gun is a handgun or is stored loaded or unlocked, the risk of suicide is even higher.

Does it matter how a person tries to commit suicide? YES!

• Suicide attempts with a gun are very likely to be deadly.
• Suicide attempts with drugs or methods other than guns have a greater chance of survival.

It is best to not have any guns in homes where children or teenagers live.

If there is a gun:


• Keep it unloaded and locked up or with a trigger lock. Store the bullets in a different place that is also locked.
• Do not let teens have a key to the places where guns and bullets are stored.
• If a teen becomes depressed or has severe mood swings, store the gun outside the home for the time being.


The right-wing gun lobby will object to these simple guidelines that just may save teenage lives, but responsible parents, and responsible gun owners know better. Teen lives matter! ALL lives matter.

Support a gun control organization today, and help to save lives.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
5. I have a 13 year old grandson. In the throes of puberty and working
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:33 PM
Mar 2015

through the transition from child to man. Such tiny things like a bad grade or somebody with logo shoes making fun of his no-name shoes loom large in his mind.

With today's social media things can get so bad so fast.

If you have a gun and have a child or even know someone with a child for God's sake get a safe and lock the damn thing up.

MH1

(18,158 posts)
6. Yes, it just seems crazy to keep a gun in too-easy reach of a child.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:44 PM
Mar 2015

Even if one takes precautions, it only takes one badly timed slip.

Overall I am supportive of some level of private gun ownership. But sheesh, there need to be some controls and boundaries, because we don't want to keep losing kids like this to all-too-common human error.

Sancho

(9,103 posts)
8. Sorry if this is a repeat for some of you, but it's time to do something about easy access to guns.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:46 PM
Mar 2015

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

billh58

(6,641 posts)
9. All great ideas,
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:51 PM
Mar 2015

and hopefully most of them will be implemented at the state and city levels as the thinking public becomes more aware of the gun problem on our streets.

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
11. romeo juliet, 21st century
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:42 PM
Mar 2015

Another one, appears a 'rush to judgement' on part of the victim, since his girlfriend whom he accidentally shot while gun playing, survived:

MINNEAPOLIS March 10, 2015 -- Police in Minneapolis say a teenage boy killed himself after he accidentally shot his girlfriend in the face and chest, CBS Minnesota reports.
The Anoka County sheriff's office say 15-year-old Alantae Arnold shot his 14-year-old girlfriend with a handgun around 4 p.m. in an apartment building...
He then ran about 250 feet to a nearby charter school parking lot and shot himself in the head.
The 14-year-old victim was found with flesh wounds, but she was alert and breathing and gave investigators information that led to their finding the body of the boy. She is expected to be okay."She was holding a rag against her neck, and there were massive amounts of blood all over her clothes,"
girl later told detectives that Arnold was "playing" with the handgun when he accidentally shot her, and she doesn't believe the shooting was intentional. Police say it's not clear why the boy then chose to commit suicide.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/teen-kills-himself-after-accidentally-shooting-girlfriend-in-minnesota/

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