"Tensions With Elizabeth Warren Camp..."

[RiverLover]

Tensions With Elizabeth Warren Camp Could Loom Over Hillary Clinton Campaign
4/2/15

WASHINGTON, April 2 (Reuters) - The race for the Democratic nomination in the 2016 U.S. presidential election is turning into a battle of ideas between a woman who has not yet said she is running and another who insists she won't.

Hillary Clinton is expected to launch her White House bid later this month, while Elizabeth Warren, the senator known for her fiery anti-Wall Street rhetoric, repeated this week that she is not seeking the Democratic nomination.

But she and her supporters have vowed to make sure that populist economic ideas feature prominently on Clinton's agenda should the former secretary of state be the party's nominee.

Warren's backers are already fanning out in the early-voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire to push Clinton to shift toward economic populism and away from the pro-business policies of her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

Activists told Reuters they plan to show up at town halls and rallies to publicly call on Clinton to adopt policies such as breaking up big banks and expanding the Social Security retirement program.

"What we are trying to do is incentivize Hillary Clinton and anyone else who may chose to run for president to campaign on many of the economic populist issues that Elizabeth Warren and others have championed," said Adam Green of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a grassroots pro-Warren group.

Warren vowed on MSNBC on Wednesday to press Clinton - and any other candidates - to tackle issues such as student loan affordability and stricter oversight of Wall Street.

"I'm going to push everybody. Do I not look like I'm going to push?" said Warren, whose stark critiques of big business have endeared her to her party's left wing.

But comments like that rile Clinton supporters, who bristle at the notion that the former first lady needs to hew to Warren's message in order to prove her populist credentials....

(Please read rest of article, very good, wish I could post it all~)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clinton_n_6991314.html

[marym625]

1. K&R!

[merrily]

2. Hillary's "populist credentials." "Hew to Warren's message." Huh?

[cantbeserious]

3. HRC - Populist - Yeah Right - More Like A Lap Dog For The 1%

eom

[RiverLover]

4. ^^^What no one is MSM dare say aloud or in writing.

That is what this article is trying to say, I think. But to come right out with the fact that Liz is anti-Wall Street corruption & collusion with our govt, and Hillary is, well, the same thing without the "anti-" part, that would bring the Hillary hammer down on them.

Her network is far reaching & immensely powerful. The very symbol of all that is wrong with our party.

[TreasonousBastard]

5. *Yawn*

This is the kind of silly thing you get when someone needs to make a deadline.

[RiverLover]

6. *Yawn*

It is getting late. Posts like ^this are a sure sign.

[rhett o rick]

7. k & r. Thanks for posting. nm

[zeemike]

8. It sounds like they are telling us that she can't lose

And all we can do is try to make Hillary talk like a populist and if she does we will be satisfied.

Right back to Hillary is inevitable...do not resist...but she might throw us some word bones.

[RiverLover]

21. Its bizarre. I agree.

"word bones"

[McCamy Taylor]

9. I think we should force Clinton to publicly disavow Christianity

if she wants to get the nomination. Preferably with a sound bite in which she says the words "I spit on Jesus and Mary" while dipping a crucifix in a glass of urine.

Sarcasm should be obvious. But if you read a lot of DU you might think I really mean this so here is the emoticon:

[merrily]

14. Maybe just get Hillary to disavow The Family/Fellowship and their nutty ideas about leaders?

You know this is the Warren Group, not the Hillary Group, right?

[Jester Messiah]

29. We've already got one party obsessed with religion in this country.

Maybe we can let them continue to swirl that particular drain while we concentrate on things that are more, you know... real?

[WillTwain]

10. if Hillary owns an ounce of humanity, she will move hard to the left.

[NYC_SKP]

11. Somebody needs to step off the damn stage and let a real leader lead.

I'll be impressed by Hillary when I hear that she had lunch with Warren and convinced her to run for POTUS.

[RiverLover]

22. So, you will never be impressed.

Neither will I.

[PatrickforO]

12. Even if Warren does not run, she can use her position in the Senate to

force the campaign conversation in a populist direction, which is exactly what was needed. We learned in 2014 just how effective the wishy-washy corporatist 'distance myself from Obama' strategy was. The truth is that populist positions will WIN elections. And it's no big deal that Secretary Clinton is being 'pushed' - remember what FDR said when someone pressured him to end the Jim Crow strangulation in the south. "I agree with everything you've said. Now FORCE me to do it."

FDR understood the nature of elected representation. Without popular, or populist pressure, it ain't gonna happen for us.

[RiverLover]

23. Great post.

Thanks for the reminder.

[kelliekat44]

13. Dems, don't fall for this BS. Refuse to be divided.

An HP poster reminds us:

The GOP said that the next President will repeal the deal(Iran). I don't think President Clinton will do that!

I don't think any Dem President will repeal the deal if it is working. We must become distracted by what the opposition does to divide us. Whoever is nominated for the Dems, we must stick together.

[merrily]

15. The primary has not started. This is the time to be divided. Or you could urge

unifying behind Warren. This is the Warren Group, not the Hillary Group.

[djean111]

18. We have not had the primaries yet. So, yeah, as is usual for an election cycle, we will be

divided as to who we want to support. In this particular group, that person is not Hillary - but you can be sure that we are Democrats. Well, until liberals and Progressives are thrown out of the Democratic Party, that is!

[Autumn]

27. No way in hell I will do your " Whoever". It doesn't work.

"Whoever is nominated" is the problem with our party. I will vote for the Democrat who best stands for what I think is important or I won't vote for them. This country cannot afford another 10 years of the banks and Wall Street calling the shots.

[merrily]

16. Kind of revealing as to Hillary's "populist credentials," though not as revealing as the rest of

Last edited Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Hillary's records, is the subthread that starts with this post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=394507

[RiverLover]

25. Thanks for the link.

That was one I missed.

[Scuba]

17. Spin alert! Wow, where to begin?

First, I'm pretty sure no one, EW included, is just trying to get Hillary to change her rhetoric.

Second, no one is trying to shift the Democratic Party away from being pro-business, but rather away from pro-banksters and more toward pro-small, honest businesses.

Third, what tensions?

Reuters makes this sound like it's the commies against the capitalists.

[djean111]

19. Spin spin spin spin. Pathetic if Hillary does not have a core or intrinsic set of values she will

run on, and doesn't know what she should say until her two hundred advisers tell her what will play the best. Whatever she says now is purely campaign blather, and not to be trusted. IMO.
She has had years to figure this out. Not striking me as prepared to run a campaign, much less a country.

[merrily]

26. +1

This has been my reply to everyone who tells me/us to wait and she what she runs on.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. That's what Hillary has hundreds of advisors for; to tell her what to think and say.

[Demeter]

20. The Immovable Object, and the Irrestistable Force!

They are both doing the "ladylike" thing. Personally, I never got the hang of that...

[RiverLover]

24. Ha! Me either. /nt

[Jester Messiah]

28. Why bother? She'll break rightward just as soon as she's got the nomination secured. [nt]

[dreamnightwind]

30. Seems like an ineffective strategy to me

I often hear that Hillary lacks core convictions and principles, but I see little evidence of that. I think she has been pretty consistent in her political ideology. She's a corporatist to the core.

I heard one of her staff speak to this once on the TV (MS-NBC but can't recall which show, and it was probably a year ago), the staffer was saying how many politicians try to appease their donors because they need the money but don't share their ideology, but that in Hillary's case, she was someone who actually loves her donors and supports their goals. That seemed refreshingly honest to me, though it revealed a disturbing truth.

We might push a few bones out of a Hillary presidency. I could see her making student loans more affordable. I suppose some people are unable to attend college without the loans but IMHO the loans are a large part of what allows colleges to charge such inflated tuitions so I would rather eliminate student loans and expand education grants to the poor while working to offer more affordable higher education.

Overall, Hillary Clinton will support corporations rather than populist policies, and you can take that to the bank. edit to add: So I think it is wiser to work to defeat her in the primary with a better candidate than to work on moving her to the left.