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echochamberlain

(56 posts)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:23 AM Oct 2014

Modern film is a hell of referential reboots

Watching the sci-fi-action film Pacific Rim, which features giant robots punching huge lizards in the face, something made my head spin, and it wasn’t just the special effects, or the fact I couldn’t decide whether I was watching the most awesome dumb movie ever made, or the dumbest awesome movie ever made.

Watching Pacific Rim was like watching Transformers crossed with Godzilla, crossed with Ultra-man crossed with Power Rangers crossed with Hugh Jackman’s Robot boxing movie, crossed with Robocop.

The confounding thing was that most of those referenced film and media franchises have gone through multiple reboots of their own. We are now in an age of reboots with multiple references to multi-referential reboots; a vertiginous age of homage and ever-increasing installments of rehashed source material.

Of the material referenced in Pacific Rim, Robocop was recently brought back to the screen, thirty years after the eighties classic, whilst the Transformers franchise, which this year has produced Transformers: Age of Extinction, the first in a new trilogy of films, succeeding the last trilogy of films, was based off the eighties Transformers cartoon series; and Power Rangers has had two theatrical films, which were developed from the twenty television seasons of seventeen different themed series, stretching back to Mighty Morphin Power Rangers in the early nineties.

The Tom Cruise sci-fi fantasy film Oblivion, described by its director (who helmed the reboot of Tron), as an homage to classic seventies films like Logan’s Run, was, aside from those references, a mixture of Blade Runner, Inception and The Matrix with a generous amount of Total Recall thrown in. Again, the references themselves have also been revived. Total Recall received a recent reboot, which took out all the corny charm of the old Total Recall, and replaced it with references to, well, The Matrix and Inception.

Ender’s Game was like watching Harry Potter crossed with Star Wars, crossed with Starship Troopers. The Star Wars reference was strengthened by the casting of Harrison Ford, who had recently reprised his role in the latest reboot of the Indiana Jones franchise, and who is rumoured to be appearing in the latest three-film reboot of the Star Wars franchise, which will follow the three earlier reboot films, which were prequels to the three original films.

There is also, of course, the seemingly endless films based off Marvel superhero comics. Since 2008, there has been Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger, Marvel’s The Avengers, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy. Marvel also unleashed The Fantastic Four, and its sequel Rise of the Silver Surfer. A reboot of the Fantastic Four franchise is scheduled to be released in 2015. In the next few years, there may be releases such as: Avengers: Age of Ultron, Captain America 3 and, depressingly enough, Ant-Man.

Multiplexes have also been showing X-Men films since the turn of the millennium. X-men, X2: X-men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men: First Class, The Wolverine, and X-Men: Days of Future Past. In the coming years there will be: X-Men: Apocalypse and a sequel to The Wolverine.

The 2013 film Man of Steel was a long, and loud reboot / sequel to the 2006 Superman film, which followed on from the nineties television series, Lois and Clark, which followed on from the Superman film franchise of the eighties.

The recent Star Trek reboot, and its sequel, had to go pre-five-year-mission in order to find a chronological niche on the franchise timeline that hadn’t been occupied. The new films are set prior to the Next Generation films of the mid-nineties, the Next Generation T.V series and the original-cast films in the eighties and early nineties, which followed on from the original T.V series of the sixties.

The Amazing Spider Man 2 came out this year as a sequel to the 2012 film The Amazing Spider Man. That film was a reboot of the 2002-2007 three film Spider Man franchise, which for a time was intended to be extended to Spider Man 4 and Spider Man 5.

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes is this year’s sequel to the 2011 film Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which began 20th Century Fox’s reboot of the original Planet of the Apes series. It is the eighth film in the franchise, stretching back to the sixties. Prometheus was a prequel / homage to Alien, and its three sequels. The Hobbit films are prequels to the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie this year is a continuation / reboot of the previous Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies, which followed on from the nineties cartoon.

Add to all this monotony the eight Harry Potter films, the Pirates of the Caribbean series, the Twilight saga, The James Bond series, The Batman reboots, and the Hunger Games. This, then, is the repetitive, multi-referential, risk-averse, increasingly-rehashed state of Sci-fi and Fantasy film.

Things aren’t nearly as bad in the drama genre, though it’s sort-of fun to imagine what the studios could come up with, if they thought audiences would go along with it, and there was revenue to be generated: Noah 2: New Flood Rising…Thirteen Years a Slave…Lincoln: Resurrection.
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Modern film is a hell of referential reboots (Original Post) echochamberlain Oct 2014 OP
I'm just happy no one has remade Buckaroo Banzai, (I hope). bvf Oct 2014 #1
Hey, Galaxy Quest was a masterpiece... Callmecrazy Oct 2014 #6
LOL! Oh, I agree! bvf Oct 2014 #7
I missed Tropic Thunder... Callmecrazy Oct 2014 #8
I don't get this article... Callmecrazy Oct 2014 #2
Interesting points. bvf Oct 2014 #4
We've been rebooting stories CJCRANE Oct 2014 #3
So many words ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #5
You forgot Lincoln: Vampire Hunter... Callmecrazy Oct 2014 #9
It's all about big finance. hunter Oct 2014 #10
No one better do a reboot JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #11
why i left imdb skippercollector Aug 2015 #12
When they re-made Mildred Pierce HeiressofBickworth Oct 2015 #13
too true tzar paul Nov 2015 #14
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
1. I'm just happy no one has remade Buckaroo Banzai, (I hope).
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:55 AM
Oct 2014

Now I'm afraid to look.

on edit: Same goes for Galaxy Quest.

Callmecrazy

(3,066 posts)
6. Hey, Galaxy Quest was a masterpiece...
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 08:06 AM
Oct 2014

You can't make a sequel to a story that encompasses all the intricacies of the human condition the way Galaxy Quest did.





Thank God.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
7. LOL! Oh, I agree!
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 09:00 AM
Oct 2014

It's one of those originals I'll drop everything to watch.

Come to think of it, didn't "Tropic Thunder" rip off the premise?

Callmecrazy

(3,066 posts)
2. I don't get this article...
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:56 AM
Oct 2014

What's it trying to say? That there is no originality in the genre's? So what?
People are comforted in knowing the characters of films and being able to follow the story lines over multiple "episodes" in a longer tale. I think they're great and the studios make money so they can make more of a good thing. If it's a lousy story, the market will determine how many sequels it has.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
4. Interesting points.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 06:18 AM
Oct 2014

I'm no film scholar, and certainly don't follow the industry apart from reading the occasional review, but I'd wonder how many sequels there have been of original flops. (I'm guessing "flop" is a term the studios have an accounting measure for.)

I do know that movie remakes are nothing new--that much you can get through a simple Google search.

This article seemed somewhat pointless to me, too, but it did get me thinking about how there is nothing new under the sun, which is a very old expression.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
3. We've been rebooting stories
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 06:05 AM
Oct 2014

since the time that cavemen and women sat around a fire talking about the mammonth they came up against.

We see the same thing in religion and myth where stories are told and retold, evolvng into different iterations each time.

Shakespeare was the quintessential rebooter, fashioning classic and popular stories into something new using his eclectic and inventive vocabulary. And each time one of his plays is performed it is rebooted (Baz Lurhman's "Romeo + Juliet" being an excellent example IMO).

There are usually two sides to the reboot discussion: the pro-traditionalists and the pro-innovators. I'm more one of the latter, I like to see something new, a new spin on an old idea. I like both Tim Burton's and Chistopher Nolan's Batman movies because they tried something different.

hunter

(38,938 posts)
10. It's all about big finance.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:31 PM
Oct 2014

Raising money for a "reboot," or something that can be sold as similar to previous blockbusters, is a whole lot easier than raising the money for something fresh.

A big multiplex theater isn't much different than a fast food restaurant. Even smaller urban "art" theaters are mass market, Red Lobster compared to Long John Silvers.

As the cost of digital movie equipment comes down (1080p, 2K, 4K...) it may be as disruptive to the movie business as digital was to the music business. There are people who don't go out to the movies, they wait for the video disk. They are satisfied with home HDTV.

It doesn't cost a fortune to publish a book any more, it doesn't cost a fortune to publish music, and it's possible to make a high quality movie with a very low budget. It's mostly about the time and energy and talents of the artists.

The finance and marketing people control the gateways to the "mass market." Everyone else is doomed to muddle through life as any other artist does.

My parents are artists, I have two siblings who have Hollywood screen credits as small part characters (biker, cowboy, girl on beach, cheerleader, that sort of thing...) but they got tired of that rough lifestyle. My wife's an artist, my kids are artists, but nobody has made a full time career of art in our immediate family except one of my wife's sisters.

I like many sorts of movies one never sees in the cinemas, I'd rather go to a local restaurant than a chain, I buy art directly from the artists or musicians, I read books that will never be on the New York Times best seller list. I tend to exist outside the mass market. I'm not a complete snot about that. We read all the Harry Potter books in our house and watched all the movies. Good for J.K. Rowling. It's wonderful to see art both celebrated and very well rewarded.

I find the ratio of gems to crap is about the same in small art as it is in big expensive mass market art.

As Theodore Sturgeon said, 90% of everything is crud.

skippercollector

(212 posts)
12. why i left imdb
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 02:21 PM
Aug 2015

The main reason I unregistered with the IMDb (which was once a wonderful, useful site) is that it was taken over by fanboys who loved/adored/adulated CGI-and-superhero movies and detested everything else. I could have just ignored them if they had stayed at their comic book movie discussions, but they've had to also post and post and post at every other movie about how awful the films were. It was not worth it to read the drivel and sometimes I was downright insulted.
I have been making an effort to avoid movies that are remakes, sequels, based on comic books or based on TV series. I have made a few exceptions in the past 10 years but mostly I try to see only movies that don't fit the above categories.
I started briefly reviewing all the little and/or bomb movies I've seen in the past five years, some of which I've really enjoyed. It's at another website that has little traffic and no fanboys.
I do see a LOT of movies, some of which are at the multiplex for a week or two and then disappear forever. I love going to the theater as opposed to watching a movie on a TV, no matter how big the TV screen is. The plot or content is what is important to me, not its politics, religion, amount of money spent on it and especially not the special effects. As some examples, I saw Fireproof, God's Not Dead, Heaven is for Real and Noah in the theater, but I also saw An Inconvenient Truth, Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11 and The Day After Tomorrow on the big screen.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
13. When they re-made Mildred Pierce
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:13 PM
Oct 2015

I pretty much figured they had run out of other ideas.

That's why I love foreign films and indie films.

Saw a good Polish movie a couple of nights ago (Seattle Polish Film Festival), called Grain of Truth. Starts out as a standard crime flick, but made unusual use of an old, discredited myth (blood liable) as a plot device in the film and made further effort to dispel the myth. And the audience didn't know who the real killer was until the last few minutes of the film.

Saw another good film this weekend, 99 Homes, about the crash of the real estate market and resulting foreclosures. Directed by Ramin Bahrani.

Innovative movies are still being made, but they are just a little harder to find because not much is spent on advertising, not like the comic-book, vampire, ghost, monster movies.

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