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The Liberal Redneck: Progress & How Democrats View Rural America (Original Post) appalachiablue May 2020 OP
Great rant and sound advice. klook May 2020 #1
I love Trae Crowder, and I mostly agree with him here, but GOPBasher May 2020 #2
really goes back to pisspoor messaging by democrats. We can beat GOP at their own game to beachbumbob May 2020 #3
Yes, good point, framing. GOPBasher May 2020 #7
always about framing as REASON NEVER WORKS WITH gop/conservatives beachbumbob May 2020 #11
Narrowing The Gap is Worth Some Effort, Sir The Magistrate May 2020 #4
Yes, agreed. GOPBasher May 2020 #8
Trae Crowder and Jane Kleeb need to collaborate. DAMANgoldberg May 2020 #5
Many people think Dean's strategy needs to be picked up appalachiablue May 2020 #6
potty mouth sits in front of banana trees lol. rural banana trees of course nt msongs May 2020 #9
The only thing Republicans have to do is scream Duppers May 2020 #10
You know what it's like and here's comments from Trae appalachiablue May 2020 #12

klook

(12,886 posts)
1. Great rant and sound advice.
Fri May 15, 2020, 10:05 AM
May 2020

I didn’t know Trae was working on a documentary. I’ll be on the lookout for that.

GOPBasher

(7,403 posts)
2. I love Trae Crowder, and I mostly agree with him here, but
Fri May 15, 2020, 10:07 AM
May 2020

I'm pretty sure polls have consistently shown that rural America is indeed more conservative on all major issues compared to the rest of the country. Of course we still need to pursue their votes, but I don't see us winning majorities in rural areas unless we abandon many of our principles. I can be wrong, of course.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
3. really goes back to pisspoor messaging by democrats. We can beat GOP at their own game to
Fri May 15, 2020, 10:14 AM
May 2020

emphasize democratic principles and polices using "freedom" as a foundation.

For instance, NEVER ARGUE about abortion being legal, argue the freedom for people to have their lives controlled by themselves and not govt. GOP has done a great job using this logic, we seem to fail at.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
11. always about framing as REASON NEVER WORKS WITH gop/conservatives
Sat May 16, 2020, 05:07 AM
May 2020

and yet democratic continue to fail at getting this

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
4. Narrowing The Gap is Worth Some Effort, Sir
Fri May 15, 2020, 10:29 AM
May 2020

Shave five or six points off the enemy's edge in rural areas, and the urban centers could swing just about any state in the Union.


"I am a man with principles, and chief among them is flexibility."



DAMANgoldberg

(1,278 posts)
5. Trae Crowder and Jane Kleeb need to collaborate.
Fri May 15, 2020, 11:14 AM
May 2020

One is the namesake, the other is a Nebraska state party chair. Both have been sounding the alarm to compete everywhere, known as the Dean 50-state strategy.

For all of the other issues, the late Ed Schultz encapsulated rural and working class voters regularly. That, for the most part, went away when he died, and hasn't been picked up since in a meaningful way.

appalachiablue

(42,908 posts)
6. Many people think Dean's strategy needs to be picked up
Fri May 15, 2020, 11:34 AM
May 2020

again, for several years now yet nothing is happening.

I followed Ed S. and appreciated his perspectives on labor issues when he was on MSNBC and even RT for a while, good guy who's missed. We need these kind of voices, not knownothing conservatives like Silicon JD Vance.

Duppers

(28,246 posts)
10. The only thing Republicans have to do is scream
Sat May 16, 2020, 01:51 AM
May 2020

Jesus and abortion and they line up to vote for them.

Sorry but this old gal has roots in East Tennessee. I've family in Greene, Hamblen, Jefferson, & Knox counties & own property in Blount county. Their history is not the same as the history of Appalachian West Virginia.
In Appalachian East Tennessee, religion controls viewpoints on most everything.

I read an East Tenn friend's FB page where she mentioned voting democratic and inevitably, the angry screams begin about socialism**. Nevermind that tRump is pals with Putin. Walk in to any eatery with a tv & you'll find Fake blaring.

Not long ago a sweet high school friend found my email and we recently began a multi email communication, until it happened: the standard assumption that I'm religious. Because, if I'm not, I'm going to hell. Shamefully I've kept the poor girl hanging for 2 wks now because I don't know how I handle this & stay true & authentic to myself. Suggestions, anyone? It's not the same as my telling my sweet, often religious DU friends that I'm an atheist. These East Tennesseans feel as if I just told them "I'm from Mars and I came to kill babies."

😪

I love Trae and think he's funny but he, imho, is making too light of their hardcore religious beliefs. But this is not to say that the area is densely hardcore red. It's not but it's just that too much of it is.


**Oh, what does socialism have to do with Christianity? This:
2 Thessalonians 3:10 King James Version (KJV): 10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." Oh, the "Good Book" is full of contradictions, is it not? And these folks use these contradictions to justify their greed and bigotry. Cue LBJ's famous quote about southern folks. TRump is still using it. Sigh.

appalachiablue

(42,908 posts)
12. You know what it's like and here's comments from Trae
Sat May 16, 2020, 12:09 PM
May 2020

in his wiki if accurate.

- (Wiki, Trae Crowder) Another major influence on his progressive social beliefs, he claimed, was his close relationship with his gay uncle. Crowder is an atheist, as he explained that he had personally never "been particularly down with Jesus" because of the conservative social views on homosexuality held by most Christian denominations, especially in the area where he was raised.

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