was going ahead with that god aweful ugly logo her first executive decision?

[2banon]

or ..

how about that campaign "slogan" : "Everyday American need a champion and I want to be that champion".

Really? after all these months and years carefully planning this all important roll out and this is the best they came up with and then Hillary DECIDED to go with?

For me, it pretty much says it all about why this candidate depresses the hell out of me.

[RBInMaine]

1. It sounds like you depress the hell out of yourself. Go take an upper.

[2banon]

4. Well that was a "brilliant" response. creative too.

[demwing]

16. if you have nothing nice to say

please say it somewhere else. This is a group, not a forum.

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Yeah, I hear ya. She's toast.

I'll be picking up a Ted Cruz absentee ballot myself.

[2banon]

6. Is that really your take on my question?

[NYC_SKP]

8. Kind of a GD reply, wasn't it?

Some folks post without realizing that their in an issue specific group, like this one.

Clinton is the antithesis of Populist Reform of the Democratic Party.

[2banon]

14. Yeah, typical GD response.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Nope, just piling on

like a lot of DU'ers have been doing in the last 24 hours.

It's good for relieving stress.

[2banon]

17. oh, that explains it. thanks.

[bowens43]

3. what do you expect?

She was a less then mediocre Senator and and a pretty terrible Sec of State.... in a country of lowered expectations she's a front runner

[2banon]

5. I did expect some reasonable effort to knock it out the park on the initial announcement

it's not like she just walked on this stage for the first time.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. Perhaps it would have been better if she had just been discovered...

That and having something to vote for her besides being a Democrat.

[2banon]

32. Bingo!

[840high]

15. ...^ that

[2banon]

25. thank you 840high..

[NYC_SKP]

7. Logo and ad, more the ad however, are both telling.

The Logo: I'd have expected something softer and more organic, but this is hard, sharp, inflexible, unidirectional, yet uncommitted. It says "this way only".

The Ad: Slick, all style, no substance. There is nothing of a commitment there, only that she wants it. People need a champion, of what I'm not sure.

The people in the ads, they don't represent America. I didn't see a homeless or jobless American, or anyone in Health Care Hell.

I saw strategically placed selected demographic represented, the single working mom, gay and lesbian couple, blue-collar worker, retiree.

But all were surrounded by upper middle class or better digs.

There really was no there there.

[Daemonaquila]

10. Man, that's reading a lot into that logo.

Me, I just see it as a sorry excuse for a generic "Hi, I'm running for something" logo that isn't worth a second look. Kind of like her.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. I disagree. It is very directional.

It is a red arrow that points to the fekking right.



What the hell were they thinking?!

I agree with your other comments. There's no fire there.

I could have done better branding than that...seriously.

[Demeter]

24. Worse yet, it looks rather like male organ envy

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. I was pointing out all that is lacking in the campaign logos to an associate today using the Obama

Logo as an example.

The Obama logo has a lot of gestalt going on...all positive. It has charm, symmetry, balance, and a sense of American heartland with the flag portion resembling fields of plenty.

Rand Paul's logo looks like a flaming dagger: separating or cutting through his name. What he wants to cut I don't know, but I don't want to find out.

Rubio's logo is just bland and sits there without any dynamism.

Clinton's logo looks like a moving company. It is impersonal, lacks enthusiasm, and generally looks out of date. No kidding.

I hope to god that if she makes it to the nomination that her campaign engages America, but I don't hold out much hope.

[Scootaloo]

40. ...Yours must be a little different from mine

Seriously though that logo looks like it belongs on a third-rate airline, or a wannabe competitor against FedEx. Who does that?

[2banon]

12. She doesn't get that being our "champion" is not a passive activity.

not a ribbon, or a badge, a broach to pin your lapel, or an empty slogan backed up by nothing.

talk about out of touch. wow.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. It's the Martha Coakley campaign all over again.

[2banon]

18. I guess I'll have to google that name..

don't know it...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. Massachusetts Gubenatorial Democratic candidate. She lost to Charlie Baker (R).

She also lost to Scott Brown utilizing the same lackluster campaign.

[2banon]

28. I see.. that's telling..

must be the graduates from the university of stupid and out of touch campaign slogans academy running these campaigns. sheesh.

[demwing]

19. You want to be our champion, Hillary?

here's a clue, being a leader is a journey, not a destination. If you're waiting for someone to come along and hand you a "Leadership" hat, then you're a follower, and you've already lost.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. I'm really concerned That the blind will anoint her Queen since she has one eye.

[Dragonfli]

20. Everyday Americans are not as financially well off as those in the dreamworld she created

Most Americans are pretty damn broke with a large percentage of those dealing with real and crushing poverty.

In Hillary's mind everyday Americans all live like the top 15% - 10% do.
She needs to meet people that live in typical neighborhoods rather than deciding that families typified in most movies are "Everyday Americans"

[2banon]

29. agree completely!

[leftofcool]

26. How many logo threads do we have to have today?

[2banon]

30. Didn't see another one in THIS group. I'm not reading GD.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

36. Oh, many...

This is her identity. It really is lack luster. I would have done better for her for much less.

Whomever branded this identity for her, whomever was in charge of handling it really stepped in it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. Aweful?

You might want to rethink your roll out.

[2banon]

31. Wrong Group Dude.

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. No ...

This is the correct forum.

[2banon]

35. look again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=1

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. No ...

this is the DU sanctioned, anti-HRC (and, all things Democratic) Group!

[Dragonfli]

38. No, It is Pro Populist reform

Which may at times mean resistance to corporate control of the party for the purpose of using the party as a tool to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the needy.

That can and often does entail that an inconvenient spotlight is cast upon those infiltrators within the party that expand such corporate control at the expense of the party and the populace.

If that means that those blind to the machinations of such corporate tools who may occasionally even idolize such corporatists are offended, that is most unfortunate, but to be expected from time to time.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. Okay ...

But with all due respect, I see very little of this:

To discuss and debate issues, candidates, and strategies related to the promotion of progressive, populist reforms within the Democratic Party.

And a whole lot of what I said.

Now, maybe that serves as strategies related to the promotion of progressive, populist reforms within the Democratic Party; but, I don't see it.

[Dragonfli]

41. As on many occasions I disagree with you on what there is to be seen

I really do see the opposite. I am only guessing, but perhaps the difference in perception is based on my sincere belief that populist reform involves actively attempting to remove anti-populist conservative ideology that harms the less than wealthy while enriching the very wealthy from our party.

We seek to reform the party, return it to liberal ideology in both fiscal as well as social issues. The good news is that little reform is necessary regarding regressive conservatism within the party as it pertains to social issues, even the Reagan conservatives in the party that prefer damaging supply side economics and neoliberal trade policies (that have caused great harm to the working and lower classes while weakening severely the middle classes) tend to still conform to liberal social positions, although there are exceptions to that and work still should be done in that area as needed.

Once in a reply to you I said that there are politicians that would have us choose between social justice and economic justice and that such politicians are not our friends, that social and economic justice go hand in hand and are intertwined, I believe that to be the truth.

Because of this, I would if I could replace such right economic social liberals (once described as moderate Republicans) that would have us choose with politicians that fight for both types of justice. I believe you see this desire as an attack on the party and on politicians that you, for whatever reason, believe are not as they are. They are real and they are known to any with eyes to see the policies they prefer and fight for.

You could easily understand my thoughts on this and the nature of the enemy within the party that I feel must somehow be replaced (part of replacing them is letting them and other party members know that right wing thinking is unacceptable to many within the party, or what many of your friends call bashing, or hating).

Now you can choose to ignore my sincere attempt here to explain my position and why I see differently than you, or you can read an OP I wrote that explains as best as I can (I am no writer and struggle with OPs) this element within the party and their very deliberate attempt to bring in right wing financial policies as a well financed new branch of the party that literally asks us to choose between social and economic justice HERE

I hope you at least read it to better understand us, even if you do not agree that we should not have to choose

[djean111]

42. The people in that video did not need a champion. The people who cannot

afford food, the people who are so bowed down with college debt, the people who cannot afford college at all, the people who have to train their H-1B replacements and then try and find jobs that pay half as much, the people who work at Walmart or wherever and have to apply for food stamps and Medicaid and/or work two jobs just to put food on the table - those are the people who need a champion. That video was so calculatedly bland and politically correct it was funny - if the voting age was lowered, it would have had skateboarders. Like someone said last night on The Daily Show, much of it made one expect that there would be a rushed "tell your doctor if your erection lasts more than four hours" or some other pharma warning.

I don't care about the logo, it made me laugh when I realized it looked familiar because it reminds me of the Atkins Diet logo, somehow, and then I forgot about it. It would have been more accurate to just have a big $$$$$$ sign.

[Dragonfli]

43. Agreed, going by that video, the people that need a champion don't even exist

Which I find strange as the "invisible undefended" are actually the majority in this country.

At least she didn't feature us and make pretend she cares if we exist or not, or how fast mild poverty is turning into extreme poverty for us.

[2banon]

44. Good point. Your comments remind me of HRC's 2008 campaign appearance in Mississippi and Alabama

This is early on in the primaries obviously. I was a John Edwards supporter, contributor - I liked Obama ok (I was wild about him in 2004) but at this point realized he was just a bit too conservative for my taste, all that to say that I watched the Southern campaigns of Clinton, Obama and Edwards somewhat closely - enough to catch Clinton's appearances at various AA church congregations.

I don't know how people actually saw that, it was aired on C-Span. let's just say her "performance" pretending to speak the language of African Americans in Mississippi and Alabama with this fake accent and dialect as if she was "one of them" was rather embarrassing to say the least.

I don't know who her advisers are, what their fields of expertise is, but it's sadly wanting,