I did suscribe to your group after Hillarys announcement...

[mylye2222]

As it seems everything is in order to make 2016 primary season a staged show...
joined here with nothing but pleasure.

We may have difference re. Our appreciation of some Dems politicians ( already a lot if you know Im a huge Kerry appreciator) but what that really counts is the common ground here I found regarding two major issues, tce first is that the common distrust of HRC ( politics and personnal ) we share and the desperate need of a true progressive agenda.
No this need could resonate to me as France politics are also being hijacked by far right wing memes.

And I would like also to thank wholeheartedly all of you who mosted on my behalf when I was trashed and my threads polluted on GD.

Merci a vous tous du fond du coeur.

[leftofcool]

1. So, you joined because of your distrust of Hillary Clinton?

Will you be voting in our elections?

[mylye2222]

2. I have anothe question.

As you already know my answer...

We all know here some of you ban people from HRC group even when they ask simple questions....as long as they are identified as more to the left.

I would like to ask that while you cant bear any dissent about HRC how do you feel so free to come in opposition group in the only goal of divide, sabotage and attack?

[leftofcool]

3. Dissent is good attacks on any Dem not good!

The goal of the HRC group is to support her.

[merrily]

5. Not in this group. This is the populist reform group for like-minded people, not for dissenters.

[leftofcool]

8. I thought she asked about the HRC Group specifically. I may have misunderstood.

[merrily]

10. I thought she was saying, since the HRC group locks people out for even asking a question, how

do you feel about disrupting this group? Your reply was "Dissent is good. Attack on any Dem is not."

So, it seemed you did understand her. In any event, I replied to that dissent is not good in the group (any more than it is in the Hillary Group).

I got banned in the HRC group for posting that "the far left is Communist, not liberal" or something like that--and I hadn't even realized I was in the Hillary Group. I had just seen a headline in Latest threads and clicked.

[Enthusiast]

14. I was banned for similar. And I also didn't even know I was posting to the Hilllary group.

Hmmm.

[merrily]

16. I got into that group by mistake 3 times because I post from Latest Threads.

The first time, they requested that I delete. I did immediately and apologized. (That was a post critical of Hillary.) The second time, I caught myself about two seconds after I posted and deleted on my own, without being asked. The third time--my post about the far left being Communist--I was banned.

That was really fine with me because I don't want to be there and should not be. I was thinking about asked to be banned so I would not make that mistake again.

However, there has been a persistent problem in the populist group with getting that same kind of respect.

[Enthusiast]

18. I'm with you.

We can be called fringe left and far left with no repercussions. As you said, far left is communist, not liberal.

Some benefit from muddying the water. That is what we have been dealing with since 2008, muddy water.

I grow weary of arguing against supply side economics on DU. Some have argued that the nation benefits from these disastrous free trade agreements. You can find nearly every Republican talking point on DU. Yet when you argue for a liberal point someone will suggest your points are from a right wing source.

It is unbelievable. We are accused of being both left wing and right wing simultaneously.

[merrily]

37. You thought economic policy had something to do with party loyalty and idolizing?

No wonder you're perplexed. Let me break it down for you.

You sound like the right if you criticize the hero du jour. It doesn't matter if you criticize him or her for crashing the economy or for ending welfare as we know it or for not shaving that day or for TPP. It's irrelevant. You're criticizing the hero. The right criticizes the hero. Ergo, you are just like the right. Even Winston Smith finally learned to love Big Brother. What the fuck is your hold up?

Democrats have always been known for not criticizing their elected heros. Well, ever since we went to war with Eastasia, anyway; and, as everyone knows, we've always been at war with Eastasia.

Economic policy?

[jeff47]

19. About a year ago I got banned from the HRC group for saying she might not win the primary.

It very much appears nothing but adulation is allowed there.

[merrily]

20. And that's fine. That's what groups are for. So you can exhale and say more of what you want without

getting the same bs over and over. (So many memes, so little time.) I don't begrudge them that.

But, it would be nice if they had the same attitude toward this group.

That's all I'm saying.

[Enthusiast]

47. I like what you're saying.

[merrily]

49. Thanks!

[demwing]

12. This is the Populist Reform Group, not the HRC group

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we encourage discussion of reform, which includes frank discussions on candidate qualifications. If you have difficulties with that type of environment, no sweat, but please post elsewhere.

[merrily]

21. Thanks, demwing. Much appreciated.

[demwing]

25. Would an "attack" on Joe Lieberman be bad?

What about Evan Bayh? Just being a part of the Dem party aint enough anymore...

[sabrina 1]

43. This group is about supporting Democratic Principles, not any particular candidate and

it is not acceptable here to attack other members of the group.

You can present your reasons for supporting Hillary, maybe try to persuade members here to support her also. But ISSUES not personalities, are what we want to focus on here. Just stick to telling us where she stands on issues and we can discuss that.

GD is where apparently her supporters get to attack anyone who merely would like to more Democrats in the race. But not here.

[lamp_shade]

4. HRC Group "Statement of Purpose"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107672

[mylye2222]

6. Two things.

1 Check the Welcome pinned thread. There is stated some rules to.

2 Asking question is not all time attacks since people know HRC group is filled with full knowledged people on all things HRC.

[merrily]

7. The Statement of Purpose of the Hillary Group belongs in this group, why?

[mylye2222]

9. I know....

I just put the poster before his own contradictions. Ok their group is for supporters. But some feel also total free to go post disruptive in groups witch they dont support.

Especially when it comes the the narrative of me being an abroad person and stating I should show interests while any economic décision and even US policies affect the entire world.

Wouldnt have been Bush Wars now wd wpuld no have Isil and even therefore no Paris attack.

would not have the subprime crisos..... no woldwidz economic récession and my country wouldnt be so divided and drown to Far right.

[Dragonfli]

34. Strange, they love Sid Dithers (a Canadian) I wonder why his participation is valued

yet yours is called out because of your status as a non US citizen, my guess - hypocrisy.

[mylye2222]

35. Maybe because he just loves HRC.

I think my " nationality" ( French) is a bad excuse.

[merrily]

38. If mylee toed the Party line on every issue, I'm sure they'd overlook her status, even if she is,

of all things *lowers voice* French.

[Enthusiast]

48. Good guess.

[sabrina 1]

44. Please do not derail threads in this group. Look at the topic of the OP, it is not about

the Hillary Group or any other Group, it is about THIS Group and why someone who is a member of the Group decided to join it.

[blm]

30. Em, a lot of us will be voting for HRC when it comes down to the actual election -

I will say this as one of HRC's most consistent critics here over the years: I, personally, will not be constantly battling detractors here and on left sites when there is an entire GOP and corporate media machine to battle on a daily basis.

My idealism is too unselfish to ignore reality.

[mylye2222]

31. I completly understand and respect your POV.

For now HRC might be nominated but yet this is still early primary campaign.
The narrative of constantly considering "game is done" might even be counterproductive in a sense that a " fake primary" might block any debate on the issue and turn Dem voters away.

But yes... as bad and pro WS HRC is.... she is certainly the lesser of two evils.

It is like in 2002 in France when on the présidé second round left peopke voted for moderate RW Chirac to avoid faschist Le Pen.

[blm]

32. There is no primary till someone else announces.

I would be a Warren primary voter. I would be a Sanders primary voter.

But, TODAY there is HRC and the opposing field with a far-reaching GOP machine that includes ALEC, Kochs, FOX/Moonie News and the corporate media that runs with their pro-fascist narrative.

[mylye2222]

33. Hope is still not lost on Sanders.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12776544

Apparently he has sheduled a press conference to update Iowa voters.

What is ALEC please?

[merrily]

42. Please see the upper portion of this thread, esp. Reply 12, by the founder and a host of this

group and one of its hosts.

Your post seems far more appropriate for GD or the Hillary Group.

[blm]

52. Then you are reading it wrong. Em knows what I'm saying.

.

[mylye2222]

53. Merrily,

blm is in no way an Hillary Clinton supporter trust me.

She in fact passed the last decade saying the Clintons were close ti the Bushes... partuculary when they protected BCCO criminal AND sabotage Kerry in 2004 in order to HRC 2008. She is just saying that goven the situation its a matter of two evil.

Believe me...would have choice she would NEVER vote for Hillary in General.

[sabrina 1]

45. There is no reason to 'battle' anyone. That is why this group was formed, to get away from the

'battling' and focus on issues that are important to Democrats. IF you are a Hillary supporter you are welcome here. It would be refreshing to have a discussion about where she stands on the issues, her past record in terms of how that will affect her future decisions etc. Along with any other Dem who enters the race.

It is not okay in this group to derail threads in order to get personal with other members here. GD is the place for that.

[blm]

51. I've been personal with Em for years - and is why I defend her

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here at DU. I am speaking to her posts in my forthright way because she wants and counts on my honest, blunt voice and guidance here at DU.
I'm surprised you never noticed that, sab.

[mylye2222]

54. You are just be defended back.

And of course I know how painfull it is to you to be be FORCED to vote HRC.


Thanks you my dear.

[sabrina 1]

27. Do people have to be able to vote in our elections in order to post on DU? If so we have a few

who don't belong here. But as I understand it, that is not a requirement here on DU.

[Dragonfli]

36. They appear to think Sid is fine, strange that /nt

[sabrina 1]

46. It's interesting, I'll say that. I like to know where people stand on politicians, especially their

own country's politicians. Mylie eg, has told us where she stands on French politicians. That is interesting to me.

Harper, most of the liberal Canadians I know can't stand him. He's their Bush they tell me.

[mylye2222]

55. Yzah.

And so is Sarkozy. A copy of Bush and Nixon.

[merrily]

50. IIRC, TOS say not to advocate not voting. So, don't advocate that.

I am thinking of trying a write in PRIMARY campaign for everyone who thinks the candidates on the ballot do not represent them, though.

[aspirant]

11. The HRC Group

represents HRC beliefs.

They tolerate no dissent whatsoever and when dissent happens they abruptly, ruthlessly and harshly throw people out into the cold.

This is a clear indication of how HRC will govern.

[djean111]

13. You are most exactly right. That is how she would govern.

Isn't if hilarious how folks who belong to other groups come in here to excoriate?

[sabrina 1]

28. I noticed that 52 voters have been banned from that group already, last time I looked. Wow, way to

GOTV!

[earthside]

29. I was banned there, too.

That was the first time anything like that has ever happened to me on DU.

I'll be perfectly honest ... I really don't think I could vote for Hillary even if she becomes the nominee.

I have plenty of problems with her corporatism, with dynastic politics, with her arrow-pointing right foreign policies, her support of Common Core, etc.

But, I also have to admit that I find her fanatical faction of supporters very arrogant, illiberal and anti-democratic. The intolerance of this HRC Group has certainly helped sour me further on Clinton. It is sad that some of Hillary Clinton's worst enemies are her most zealous supporters -- they seem oblivious to the backlash they create with their hypersensitivity and reactionary dogmatism over her.

That's just the way I feel, right now.

[merrily]

39. Some of them are her worst enemies.

Until recently, the reason for the majority of my posts about Hillary was the posts of her would be supporters. The hyperbole, the half truths, the lies, the attempt to silence everyone not swooning over Hillary, the constant bashing of the non-swooners, the laughable, yet incessant intimations that they were not Democrats.

Boring. Offensive. Rightist. Authoritarian. Dishonest.

Not all Hillary supporters, but quite a few.

And, they post over and over and over and over until they have the last ugly word, no matter what.


Then, I was over it. If that's how it has been, still is, and is going to be, bring it. I'm ready. It's go time.

Then, yesterday, I googled posting for pay. Among the list of supposedly the best companies. I saw one fee of up to $24 an hour. By the third or fourth on this supposedly great list, it was all of a penny a post. That, would, I suppose explain a lot of the one line line or one word posts that are not even always relevant.

And then, I just felt bad for them.

[whereisjustice]

15. HRC = "Fuck liberals. What are they going to do... vote Republican?"

And that is exactly HRC's campaign direction.

Also, HRC seems to be a cult of personality rather than results. The assumption is that because she's done very well for herself, she'll do well for the country.

[merrily]

17. To be perfectly fair,

"the left of the left is just like the right and probably are not Democrats at all" meme has been alive and well on this board since I signed up.

Co-existing peacefully with "the far, far left" doesn't like Hillary." (One adjective just never seems to be enough to precede "left", does it?)



Why would a Communist like Hillary, anyway?

[pscot]

23. What i this "left of the left" of which you speak?

American communism is deader than Gus Hall.

[merrily]

24. Umm. "Left of the left" is Rahm's term for the left of the Democratic Party, which is not the

far, far left of anything. It's not even as far left as the center of the Democratic Party was 40 years ago. It is way right of where the center of the Democratic Party was in the 1950s. And fugghgedabout the 1920a and 1930a.

American communism is deader than Gus Hall.

There are still American communists. And anarchists And American Socialists. And American Democratic Socialists. And Greens. Probably some others.

And on the continuum of ideologies, all of them are further left than Democrats who are not center right.

A description of where an ideology is on the continuum has nothing to do with how many Americans subscribe to it at the moment anyway.

We are not "far, far left," except to,,,never mind.

[merrily]

22. That's been it since the DLC/New Democrats took over the Party.

I heard an discussion on TV once, early during Obama's first term. I don't remember any detail but the punch line.

Some rightish policy was under discussion.

The interviewer asked a Dem strategist, "But aren't the Democrats afraid this will alienate their base?"


The strategist said no.

The interviewer pressed.

The strategist was suppressing a smile as she said, "The left has nowhere else to go."

And know you know why mention of Nader or the Greens or any possibility of a "third" party often gets ugly fast on this board.

[demwing]

26. I can tell you where the left won't go

we wont go to the right...enough of that shite

[merrily]

40. !

[merrily]

41. Bubba had no cult of personality followers? Obama?

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If Democrats are expected to rationalize away everything negative about every center right Democrat and swoon over all else, you have to have a cult of personality.

After all, who else deserves a unifed Executive?

You have to pretend that criticizing rightist policies is hating, or being a rightist, or a sexist or a racist or some kind of evil, evil thing.

You have to pretend that anything left of center right is the far, far militant left. (Sorry, I always have to laugh at the excess of modifiers. Poor things have to struggle ludicrously to make the left of the Democratic Party sound like Trotskyites. After all, Truman, FDR, JFK and LBJ did not wage the Cold War against the left of their own party. They loved their left because they had to look to it to pass things like the Civil Rights Act.)

Without a cult of personality a New Democrat President is in trouble. Well, that and paid posters and other message control people, the establishment media, esp. MSNBC, strategists, etc.