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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:52 AM Apr 2015

I just want to say As a former VP of Acorn in Austin in the 80s

during the Reagan years
I never got paid for that Acorn job either, we did it for free.



My college friend was in the top national administration of that agency in the early 80s and helped change the nation. He made less than $12 thousand a year




And Hillary is no progressive no matter what the last leader of that once late great organization says.

needed to vent


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I just want to say As a former VP of Acorn in Austin in the 80s (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 OP
Vent away. Rich Republicans have funded a bunch of not for profits that are registering merrily Apr 2015 #1
They build the wall between us. Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #7
Hopefully this meme of "Hillary is TOO a Progressive!" will soon die out, and we will return djean111 Apr 2015 #2
I think we are going to hear it aspirant Apr 2015 #3
...! Yes. KoKo Apr 2015 #8
You forgot "Say hello to President Cruz." merrily Apr 2015 #9
Bwah! Thanks, you are correct. djean111 Apr 2015 #19
K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #4
Thanks for venting MissDeeds Apr 2015 #5
Why invent a new term when DINO works fine? merrily Apr 2015 #10
DINO used to be YUPPIEs... Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #12
Not sure. merrily Apr 2015 #13
Agreed. IMO, YUPPIEs are the 3rd Way, Centrist, DLC type Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #15
No, you are not agreeing with me. merrily Apr 2015 #16
I like PINO Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #18
Thank you! RiverLover Apr 2015 #6
We were gamed. Still being gamed. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #11
Why didn't the Democratic Party fight for ACORN? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #14
Thank you, Cosmic Kitten. I know what happened. That is why I'm so angry. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #17
sometimes dems have no balls dembotoz Apr 2015 #20

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. Vent away. Rich Republicans have funded a bunch of not for profits that are registering
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:56 AM
Apr 2015

Republicans. They are the ones we heard about, the one alleging the IRS was subjecting them to extra scrutiny because of buzz words in their names.

Remind me, after Democrats rushed to de-fund ACORN, who is registering people in poor neighborhoods now?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Hopefully this meme of "Hillary is TOO a Progressive!" will soon die out, and we will return
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:57 AM
Apr 2015

to the more honest "Fuck you, liberals and Progressives, who else are you going to vote for! SCOTUS!!! Wimmen and children!!!!! Ponies!!!!!"

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
3. I think we are going to hear it
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:31 AM
Apr 2015

all thru the primaries. The so-called insignificant Fringe Left is being recognized as a highly significant needed voting bloc. It's about time.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
19. Bwah! Thanks, you are correct.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 10:25 AM
Apr 2015

I do think, if Hillary wins the nomination, we might be saying hi to President Walker.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
5. Thanks for venting
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

I am so tired of Hillary supporters trying to recreate her. She is no liberal, nor is she a progressive. As I said in another thread, we have DINOs and now it looks like we're going to have PINOs (progressive in name only). It's going to be a long, long primary season.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. Why invent a new term when DINO works fine?
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:24 AM
Apr 2015

If someone were to lie that Hillary's "really" a Socialist or Communist, would we have to invent SINO or CINO, too?

Then again this brings us back to the definition of "Progressive," which, IMO, is a very deliberately "fudge-y" term designed to make traditional Democrats feel better about New Democrats.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. Not sure.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:01 AM
Apr 2015

One stands for young, upwardly mobile professional and can include any political view.

The other stands for Democrats In Name Only.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
15. Agreed. IMO, YUPPIEs are the 3rd Way, Centrist, DLC type
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:06 AM
Apr 2015

I believe the right-wing
calls them "Limousine Liberals"?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. No, you are not agreeing with me.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:12 AM
Apr 2015

A yuppie can be very liberal or very conservative or anything in between.

Young upwardly mobile professional is not measuring where someone is on the political, ideological continuum. It's about something else entirely.

DINO, on the other hand, is a statement about where someone is on the political, ideological continuum.

In any event, I don't see a need for PINO, but it's not an important issue for me.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
14. Why didn't the Democratic Party fight for ACORN?
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:03 AM
Apr 2015

ACORN worked very hard
for the Democratic Party
and was left high and dry.

When in fact, after investigation
ACORN was not found guilty of
any criminal wrongdoing! WTF!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy#Response_by_government_and_state_authorities
Independent external investigation by Proskauer Rose

On September 16, 2009, ACORN suspended advising new clients and initiated an independent review process, headed by Scott Harshbarger, an attorney from the Proskauer Rose firm and a former Massachusetts Attorney General.[99][100] On September 16, Bertha Lewis, ACORN's CEO, froze admission to all of ACORN's service programs and instituted a review committee to implement organizational reforms.[101][102] The independent external investigation found that while some of the counsel given by employees and volunteers was "unprofessional and inappropriate", the videos that had been released appeared to have been edited, "in some cases substantially", and ACORN employees had taken no illegal actions.[103]
Report by the Congressional Research Service

On December 22, 2009, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) released a report on ACORN activities, commissioned by the House Judiciary Committee. It stated that ACORN has not been found to violate any federal regulations in the past five years. In addition, findings included: There were no instances of voter fraud by individuals who were allegedly registered to vote improperly by ACORN or its employees; No instances where ACORN violated terms of federal funding in the last 5 years. The CRS found that O'Keefe and Giles may have violated Maryland and California laws banning the recording of face-to-face conversations without consent of both parties.[104][105]
Investigation by New York attorney general

The New York Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, began an investigation on September 15, 2009, to ensure that state grants given to ACORN were properly spent.[106][107] The New York City Council suspended all ACORN grants while the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office conducted an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the videos.[108] On March 1, 2010, the District Attorney's office for Brooklyn determined that the videos were "heavily edited" to give a misleading impression,[7] and concluded that there was no criminal wrongdoing by the ACORN Brooklyn staff filmed in the videos.[8] A law enforcement source said, "They edited the tape to meet their agenda."[9][109]
Investigation by California attorney general

On September 25, 2009, in response to Governor Schwarzenegger's request to investigate the incidents, the California Attorney General's office opened an investigation "into the controversy surrounding videos that purportedly show members of community organizing group ACORN giving advice on how to open a brothel".[110]



The report of the Attorney General Office concluded, "Even if O'Keefe and Giles had truly intended to break the law, there is no evidence that any of the ACORN employees had the intent to aid and abet such criminal conduct or agreed to join in that illegal conduct." While faulting a few of the recorded ACORN members for "terrible judgment and highly inappropriate behavior",[10] The investigation report also concluded that "ACORN could determine that the conduct of its employees in California was inappropriate, but that is an employment matter, which does not rise to the level of a law enforcement or governmental concern", and determined that the employees did not commit prosecutable crimes in California. Regarding this contrast between the publicity related to the videos and what actually transpired, Attorney General Brown stated, "The evidence illustrates that things are not always as partisan zealots portray them through highly selective editing of reality. Sometimes a fuller truth is found on the cutting room floor."[13]
Investigation by the U.S. Government Accountability Office

On June 14, 2010, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) released its findings on ACORN, by then disbanded. It said that there was no evidence that the group, or any of its related organizations, mishandled any of the $40 million in federal money that they had received in recent years.[15][112]

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
17. Thank you, Cosmic Kitten. I know what happened. That is why I'm so angry.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 10:00 AM
Apr 2015

We shouldn't have lost the good efforts of ACORN. The misunderstanding and bad perceptions of ACORN were never corrected by the media, the President or Eric Holder.

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