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demwing

(16,916 posts)
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:38 PM Jul 2015

Vice President Clinton?

or VP Sanders?

It's very likely that one of these two candidates will win the Dem nomination (no offense to O'Malley...the only other candidate with even the slightest of chances). When that time comes, the party will have to turn it's united focus on the Clown Car.

In 2008, the "Party Unity My Ass" call rang out from Hillary's camp. Will that happen again?

I recently saw an OP discussing an interview where Bernie shared some ideas about possible Cabinet Posts in his administration.

Let's speculate about the VP spot.

My questions -

1. To Sanders voters who have declared they'd never vote for Hillary, would that pledge change with a Sanders/Clinton ticket?

2. To Hillary supporters - Considering the respectful way Bernie has run his campaign, are you open to a Hillary/Sanders ticket?

Let's assume, for the sake of the question, that either candidate would offer, or accept such an offer.



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Vice President Clinton? (Original Post) demwing Jul 2015 OP
I don't see VP Sanders. He's more effective in the Senate and I think would remain there. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #1
In fairness, others would say the same about Clinton demwing Jul 2015 #18
That's what Hillary's supporters said about Warren as well. merrily Jul 2015 #28
The only way I would want HRC in the White House would be as a guest....n/t monmouth4 Jul 2015 #2
I feel ya demwing Jul 2015 #6
I'll be voting the Democratic ticket no matter who's at the top No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #3
I simply can't see a ticket with both of them on it, either way round. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #4
I can see it demwing Jul 2015 #9
Sanders won't pick O'Malley marym625 Jul 2015 #14
Obama ran against Hillary and he seems to think she will make a fine President. merrily Jul 2015 #26
I could see Sanders offering Clinton the VP slot nxylas Jul 2015 #5
Bernie voted against the Iraq War. Hillary advocated for it. I prefer his foreign policy to hers. merrily Jul 2015 #25
I am voting for the dem ticket in 16 gwheezie Jul 2015 #7
Doesn't always happen demwing Jul 2015 #10
I simply do not think MuseRider Jul 2015 #8
No! HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #11
I likewise cannot imagine SheilaT Jul 2015 #12
Never going to happen marym625 Jul 2015 #13
Hillary is likely to choose Castro (the one in HUD, not the one in Cuba). merrily Jul 2015 #24
oh god please neither. rbnyc Jul 2015 #15
No, thanks. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #16
So, Bernie supporters are pretty clear here demwing Jul 2015 #17
Our nominees won't both be from that age bracket. Jim Lane Jul 2015 #19
No to VP Clinton. Chan790 Jul 2015 #20
Trump cited Bill Clinton as a recent President he (Trump) liked, not either Bush. merrily Jul 2015 #23
Ditto. HappyPlace Jul 2015 #35
Politically, Sanders and Hillary should not be the top of the same ticket merrily Jul 2015 #21
Absolutely no Clinton in the White House. She was a disaster as Sec. of State, a rich self-promoting whereisjustice Jul 2015 #22
1. No SamKnause Jul 2015 #27
I'd vote for a Sanders/Clinton ticket Android3.14 Jul 2015 #29
I'd rather see Sanders with Gillebrand or, better, a woman of color. merrily Jul 2015 #30
I agree Android3.14 Jul 2015 #31
Why would Hillary even want to be Sanders VP? merrily Jul 2015 #32
Why would anyone want to be the VP? demwing Jul 2015 #33
If she sees no value to serve her country as the VP... Android3.14 Jul 2015 #34
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
18. In fairness, others would say the same about Clinton
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jul 2015

though the "there" she should stay doesn't have much to do with the Senate.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. That's what Hillary's supporters said about Warren as well.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:20 AM
Jul 2015

IMO, the reality is that they don't want Sanders or Warren as President, even if both were to retire from the Senate tomorrow.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
6. I feel ya
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

but realistically? If fate conspired, and Bernie asked Hillary to be the VP, it wouldn't affect my vote for him one tiny little bit

No Vested Interest

(5,196 posts)
3. I'll be voting the Democratic ticket no matter who's at the top
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jul 2015

and who's the VP candidate.
Could never vote Republican after what they've done to our nation.

I'm presently undeclared as to a favorite.
All have pluses and minuses.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. I simply can't see a ticket with both of them on it, either way round.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jul 2015

If either of them felt the other was going to do a good job as President, they wouldn't be running.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
9. I can see it
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jul 2015

I can also see either asking O'Malley.

Just because each thinks they would be the superior candidate, does not imply that either thinks the other to be unqualified.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
14. Sanders won't pick O'Malley
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:31 PM
Jul 2015

Not that he wouldn't do well, but a Sanders/O'Malley ticket wouldn't be a good mix.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. Obama ran against Hillary and he seems to think she will make a fine President.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:17 AM
Jul 2015

I don't think Hillary would drop out even if she thought Bernie would be as good as all the four Presidents carved into stone on that mountain combined. She wants it for herself, period.

I don't think Bernie thinks Hillary will make a great President, though.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
5. I could see Sanders offering Clinton the VP slot
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jul 2015

It's traditional for a candidate to choose a VP whose strengths compliment the presidential candidate's main weaknesses. Bernie's main weakness is probably lack of foreign policy experience, so a former secretary of state would make sense.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
25. Bernie voted against the Iraq War. Hillary advocated for it. I prefer his foreign policy to hers.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:14 AM
Jul 2015

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
7. I am voting for the dem ticket in 16
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jul 2015

If the loser spun off to run as a 3rd party I would still vote for the dem ticket even if the loser was my pick.
I don't like a Clinton/Sanders ticket or vice versa. I would like the VP pick to be someone who will run after a 2 term president.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
10. Doesn't always happen
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jul 2015

Biden doesn't seem to be running. Cheney didn't run (thank god). I'm not sure the VP slot id a door to the White House anymore.

MuseRider

(34,375 posts)
8. I simply do not think
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jul 2015

we would ever see this happen.

He may respect her and he may like her but trust her?

I can't see him leaving the senate for a spot where he has to do what she says for him to do. Can you? I can't see her being any advantage at all to him. He is running against everything she says she does not believe in but is. She IS what he is running against.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. I likewise cannot imagine
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jul 2015

either one picking the other as VP.

My prediction is that the eventual VP choice will be someone not currently running. And no, not Joe Biden either.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. Never going to happen
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jul 2015

Sorry. I don't think it's even an option for either candidate.

I think when Sanders gets the nomination, Barbara Lee would be his choice for the VP spot.

I think that Clinton is looking at Kerry or O'Malley.

rbnyc

(17,045 posts)
15. oh god please neither.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

I don't want a neutered Sanders in a corporate white house as a token. And I don't want a third way dem as VP.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
17. So, Bernie supporters are pretty clear here
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jul 2015

Essentially: "NFW Hillary gets that close to the White House."

Hillary supporters are either fine with the pairing, or don't follow this group.

Can't imagine why

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
19. Our nominees won't both be from that age bracket.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary, if elected, would be (at first inauguration) the second-oldest President ever, younger than Reagan by less than a year. Bernie is several years older than Hillary.

Either one, as the nominee, will face some concern (real or feigned) about the age issue. Either one, as the nominee, will therefore pick a running mate who is considerably younger, probably someone in his or her fifties (like O'Malley but there are many other possibilities) or near there, i.e., late forties (e.g., one of the Castro brothers) or early sixties (e.g., Sherrod Brown).

You can decry ageism all you want, but enough voters would feel that concern to make Clinton/Sanders or Sanders/Clinton a bad idea.

If by "Clinton" you meant Chelsea, she's probably too young, even though she reached the Constitutional minimum age a few months ago.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
20. No to VP Clinton.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:17 AM
Jul 2015

I could see her using the office to attempt to undermine President Sanders and thwart a populist, progressive revolution in the Democratic party that threatens her paymasters.

Also, there's the "I honestly believe that Hillary Clinton is every bit as evil and a poor choice for President as Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or Jeb!" thing.

Literally, the only person that the GOP could nominate that might motivate me to cast a vote for Hillary rather than stay home is Donald Trump. All other circumstances, I'd pay to see her forced off the world stage into (involuntary) retirement. I only vote for real Democrats. If I don't have a real Democrat to vote for, I vote for the most liberal choice I have.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
35. Ditto.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 08:13 AM
Jul 2015

IMO, no good could come of it and, if anything, I imagine mixed messaging being the result.

You can't have a genuine champion of the working woman/man in the lead role while the second in command is so friendly with the wealthy and powerful.

It makes no sense.

Apologies to her supporters.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. Politically, Sanders and Hillary should not be the top of the same ticket
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:26 AM
Jul 2015

Politically, the ticket should strive for balance.

Aside from the years she spent in Arkansas because that was Bill's state, Hillary is either from Illinois, which is not awful as balance, but remote in time, or from New York. Overall, she is a D.C. insider. Sanders is from Vermont and also D.C. insider, though an indie for most of the time and, in some ways sui generis.

In age, Hillary will turn 70 during year 1 of that administration and 73 in year 4--and that's only term one, while Bernie will turn 76 and 80, respectively. Not much diversity there, either.

Both are white. I think it's time for someone of color in the Vice President spot. Going on demographics alone, I would have a small preference for Hispanic.

The only diversity on a Sanders Hillary ticked or a Hillary Sanders ticket would be gender.

Moreover, why would either one of them WANT to be vice President?

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
22. Absolutely no Clinton in the White House. She was a disaster as Sec. of State, a rich self-promoting
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jul 2015

shill for Wall Street who cannot be counted on when needed to improve the quality of life of American workers.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. Why would Hillary even want to be Sanders VP?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jul 2015

Not as though it's going to help her take the Oval Office at some future date.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
33. Why would anyone want to be the VP?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jul 2015

Possible reasons:

Hillary would be the first female VP
Increased access to power
Increased speaking fees

All reasons it might be good for her, but not for us.


 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
34. If she sees no value to serve her country as the VP...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jul 2015

Then I guess we know how well we can rely on Ms. Clinton.

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