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i've recently started vaping instead of smoking, since daily use was irritating my throat. so far, my throat and i are happy with the results, but i'm running into a couple areas of difficulty, probably due to inexperience. any vape users who can rush to my aid?
1. transferring MJ from the grinder to the vape chamber
thanks to MS my coordination is kinda shitty, and i tend to spill during the transfer operation. i'm trying out using a small cooking funnel, but so far it's just moved the mess, since the MJ tends to get stuck in the funnel's outflow tube. any ideas on how to do this most effectively?
2. controlling the amount
now i've gotten quite proficient at measuring what i need into a bong bowl, and supposedly, vaping cuts back on what one requires for a high. however, i'm finding that in order to pack the vape chamber with enough MJ to keep it covering the exit on its own, i grind about 50% more than i'd typically use in a personal bowl. then i run the vaporizer, and it can fill the bag 3-4 times over when inhaling 1-2 bags are plenty to put me in the "good place". how do i correctly pack the chamber without decimating my stash?
any help is appreciated...
Backwoodsrider
(764 posts)I am paralyzed and use a portable vape to save my lungs too. I have a little metal grinder I use on the herb then I use the glass chamber/mouthpiece and scoop it full. I can take the vap to bed because I have a hard time transferring after I smoke and smoke and have a nice sleep. usually get about 5 or 7 tokes from each load. If you would like I can take pictures.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)1) I'd try using paper with a slippery surface. After grinding, dump it out onto a piece of paper (maybe a magazine), then crease the paper (forming a V), and then pour it into the chamber. Back in the day, we'd use double-album covers (the area between the two sleeves) to do this.
2) Vaping, unfortunately, uses much more weed than smoking (you're not using 100% of the mass when you're just melting the crystals), so there's no good answer for that. I do recycle what I vape from (merely by smoking it conventionally - takes more, but it's still potent ).
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Slight contradiction between the "uses more" and "use what's left" part. Vaping is more efficient--you're not using all of it. What is left over isn't used up, like you said. You can always revape it again and again, and usually that will use almost all of it. It's not so much that it physically uses less so much as you have to re-vape it to extract it all. One pass isn't usually enough on most vapes. I know I stir mine in between draws, and that helps. But in the end, you are using it more efficiently than burning it, which is a lossy process.
Plus, whatever is left over even after only a single vaping can still be smoked or made into edibles. It seems like it would be less potent to smoke afterwards, but I find it works fine, if slightly decreased. Actually, I tend to get super strong body highs off of smoking vaped weed compared to regular cured bud. The smoke is harsher, but nice for sleeping, imo.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)I use a "hash" pipe, that has a sliding cover. I pinch a little ground bud, one lung-full. If I take too much, sliding the cover snuffs it. There is some accumulation on the pipe. So maybe not 100%.
As you point out, there are perhaps some qualitative differences between smoked and vaped weed. I have heard that only smoking renders the cannabinoids in a form that is most psychoactive. Theoretically, (as told to me) the higher temps more thoroughly break up the chains of organic cannabinoid molecules, facilitating happiness.
--imm
0rganism
(24,615 posts)going by temperature alone, the effects are radically different:
if you smoke, you get all of it. that includes the naughty bits at 401'.
a solid temp-controlled vaporizer gives the user a lot of control over what kind of result they'll get.
smoking does have a certain aesthetic that i haven't gotten from vaping yet. i think some of it may be oxygen deprivation and a slight adrenaline surge that comes with it. and sucking out of the vapor bag just has a different vibe than passing around a bong. but so far i can't argue with the results...
immoderate
(20,885 posts)I have used a few different vaporizers over the years.
They seemed to work okay. I had a friend who grew some excellent bud, from which he extracted lovely hash oil, which he carried around in a vaporizer similar to those they use with nicotine. I liked that
I have an order in for a Grasshopper, a design which appealed to me because, beside the specs looking good, its pen-like form factor lends itself to discreet usage. I am hopeful.
imm
Mysterian
(5,193 posts)Vaping is much more efficient and uses less weed.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)SWIM says he uses a Flowermate with 3 heat settings, so I can't much advise you on Issue 2.
SWIM thought it might work to use something like a tamper (maybe just a nail with the right sized head or even a stick whittled to the right diameter) to push the ground weed down through the funnel.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)It tends to be fairly accurate, and you can fold it in a good way to hold it. That's what I do, anyways. Tried fancier methods, but none are quite as effective. I do recommend brushing the paper off with a small scraper after, though, as little crystals and the like tend to accumulate, and why let them go to waste?
You can also use a small metal teaspoon, but try to find a fairly flat one so it pours easily off the tip.
As to your issue with the vape, it's hard to recommend a solution without knowing the type of vape. Is it possible to narrow the exit with an adapter and new screen? Maybe also try just leaving the exit not fully covered.
0rganism
(24,615 posts)a bit more info on the vape: it's an "Easy Vape V2", a cheap non-portable model but not the cheapest -- i wanted to see how it worked before i sunk $500 into the apparatus. this one has digital temperature control, but i'm not sure how accurate it really is. it has 4 fan speed settings if you count "off".
it angles the vape chamber at about 20'.
i'm running it at what it claims to be 370', to get the CBN vapors, i hope.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I grind up my flowers, dump them on a tray, and then just suck on the end of the hose. Kinda vacuum the product into the whip as it were.
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BlueStateLib
(937 posts)0rganism
(24,615 posts)switched from balloon vaping to whip - makes dealing with 1 & 2 much easier.
transferring the MJ - got a nice metal funnel, use a nail file to push the ground herbs through, nothing gets stuck.
(btw, nail files are super-useful for all kinds of stuff)
controlling the amount - now that i'm not using a balloon as much, i need approx. the same amount of herb that i would use in a standard bong dosage.
my main problem now is how to change the screen in the whip. so far i've been able to buy a new whip when the old one gets clogged, but discarding perfectly good whips just because their screens are dirty seems like a major waste. however, from the vid i watched, replacing the whip screen seems like "ship in a bottle" level of effort, involving dental picks and chopsticks.
Anyone know any ez-pz ways to change a whip screen?
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EYESORE 9001
(27,479 posts)and now I'm adding to it, serving as necromancer to this vaping thread.
I may have mentioned that I took a 24-year hiatus from cannabis, breaking that fast in early October of last year. Early on, I tried vaping dry herb, but found the process tedious. I liked grinding flower, gathering a sizable cache of keef that I put to use making homemade 'moon rocks', which were absolute fire! I had no complaint about taste, although it's hard to discern whether the vapor was any less harsh than burning directly. My rig was definitely portable, and the scent was more discreet than firing it up directly, but it had a degree of pungency that betrayed my activity if I were out & about. There was the matter of cleaning, which was an issue as well, considering that the combustion chamber required rearrangement occasionally to ensure fresh flower was impinging upon the heating element; ashes didn't cut it.
For all these reasons, I opted to begin vaping concentrate, but only when discretion was required. Otherwise, I opt for flower, mostly through a small bong and usually no more than required for a one- or two-hit campaign. I'm kinda picky about allowing my pipes to get funky; I don't dig it at all. I also like old-school hash, which I smoke through a small pipe used only for that purpose. I'm working on a 1g temple ball, which lasts a long time. I've also begun dabbing, although I haven't purchased a proper dab rig yet. I want to get an e-rig in order to maintain tight temperature control. It's not that high a priority yet (no pun intended), so I improvise.
Additionally, I smoke the occasional preroll. I'm working on a 1.2g infused preroll presently, which I extinguish and relight throughout the day. It's wasteful, I know, but I do love it.
If anyone is interested in a series of 'OK, boomer' cannabis tales that harken back to the earliest 70s through the late 90s, let me know if that would be boring or not. I like to indulge my reflective side on occasion.
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