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GWC58

(2,678 posts)
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 04:57 PM Sep 2016

Cannabis vs pain med

I'm curious about medical cannabis. Okay, I live in a state that, at least in theory, has med. cannabis. You can't find any dispensaries, because there aren't any. This interests me because for the past, let's see, 20 years I've been on narcotic pain relievers. I don't want to say exactly what they are, though.

The reason I'm on them is because of an auto accident in 1994. In fact it was 01 Nov. At any rate since then I've had four (4) cervical fusions, one of which failed, two (2) shoulder ops (L) and one (1) shoulder op on the right. In June 2005 surgery was performed on my lower back, @ the L-5/S-1 level.

I'd love to be able to get off this poison that I'm on, or at least lower the dosage. I believe medical cannabis could help with this. This is another reason I don't want tRump in the White House. He says he's for something one day, the next not so much.

Any help with advice would be greatly appreciated. Just wish Maryland would get this thing "up and running." Thank you

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Cannabis vs pain med (Original Post) GWC58 Sep 2016 OP
you might contact a dispensary crabsley Sep 2016 #1
Cannabis DOES NOT replace your meds ghostsinthemachine Sep 2016 #2
Anxiety is a huge component of pain Warpy Sep 2016 #3
I was taking opiates for chronic pain due to osteoarthritis in my left hip. beveeheart Sep 2016 #7
Were you on long acting opiates taken around the clock? Warpy Sep 2016 #9
I take GWC58 Sep 2016 #10
Here in GWC58 Sep 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #21
I was on them for a year and a half and, yes, beveeheart Sep 2016 #12
I love Ultram Warpy Sep 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #22
From 95 through 03 GWC58 Sep 2016 #13
I live in NM and the Board of Health just added 2 docs to process faster womanofthehills Sep 2016 #17
The western states are GWC58 Oct 2016 #26
2003, not 1003 GWC58 Oct 2016 #27
I have friends taking opiates for chronic pain.. mountain grammy Sep 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #28
Thank you GWC58 Sep 2016 #5
Cannabis is not a wonder drug Buzz cook Sep 2016 #6
Valuable GWC58 Sep 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #23
Manufacturers of Fentanyl seem to be threatened by legal cannabis TonyPDX Sep 2016 #15
Can't be GWC58 Sep 2016 #16
There are places online to purchase cannabis PinkTiger Sep 2016 #18
Those are legit? Ruby the Liberal Sep 2016 #19
Well, they are real PinkTiger Sep 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #20
can you discuss it with a pain specialist? eShirl Apr 2021 #29

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
2. Cannabis DOES NOT replace your meds
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 05:55 PM
Sep 2016

You will cut back, but they do not replace your meds. It can't. Doesn't work the same way.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
3. Anxiety is a huge component of pain
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 06:36 PM
Sep 2016

Opiates treat both the anxiety and the pain. What cannabinoids do well is decrease the anxiety and that allows many people on both medications to taper the opiates down over time, instead of becoming more dependent and needing a higher dose.

Chronic pain requires pain medication and opiates are the safest for long term use (the drug war's dirtiest secret), OTC meds all being found to damage the heart and/or kidneys.

beveeheart

(1,404 posts)
7. I was taking opiates for chronic pain due to osteoarthritis in my left hip.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 08:36 PM
Sep 2016

Prior to my hip replacement, I had to use both a cane and walker because of the pain. Once I started medical marijuana, there was no tapering off of prescribed opiates. I stopped them immediately and only had to start using them again in the few days following the hip replacement operation.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
9. Were you on long acting opiates taken around the clock?
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 09:05 PM
Sep 2016

That's what I was addressing.

I've been on opiates for 25 years but only during the day. I wake up frequently in pain at night, that's what I'd love to have medical cannabinoids for. Unfortunately, this state is medical cannabis in name only. The board in charge of processing applications is almost a year behind and got chewed out by a judge two weeks ago. You have to be nearly dead to get it.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
10. I take
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:08 PM
Sep 2016

80 mgs in the morning when waking & 80 mgs in the evening. I use Percocet 7.5's for breakthrough. I've been on this regimen almost 14 years.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
11. Here in
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:21 PM
Sep 2016

Maryland it's been around, in name only, since 2003. Everything got settled in 2014 and, here we are, in 2016. It might be up by 2018, maybe. Who knows?

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beveeheart

(1,404 posts)
12. I was on them for a year and a half and, yes,
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:23 PM
Sep 2016

around the clock because the pain from moving/turning in my sleep would wake me up. I hated the side effects, especially the constipation, so my motivation to rely on medical marijuana edibles was very high. I can't imagine having to rely on them for years as you have.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
14. I love Ultram
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:41 PM
Sep 2016

because the buzz is minimal, meaning I can usually find things after I put them away. It's the buzz I can't stand, everything else is fairly easy to control.

I would love to get a prescription for edibles at night. Staying off narcs at night has kept me from being physically dependent on them but it's miserable to wake up in pain and have to do something else until exhaustion kicks back in.

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GWC58

(2,678 posts)
13. From 95 through 03
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:30 PM
Sep 2016

I was on a concoction of narcotics, anti inflammatory drugs & other OTC's. The Motrin tore my stomach apart. So much so that I've been taking Nexium since 2002.

womanofthehills

(9,265 posts)
17. I live in NM and the Board of Health just added 2 docs to process faster
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 10:35 PM
Sep 2016

Now it's 60 days from your application - it is supposed to be 30. But everyone I know on the program, has gotten certified within 60 days since the Board of Health hired more staff. I would go for it if I were you. A recent court case made it easier to qualify too. NM went from 16,000 patients to over 60,000 patients in a year. They are processing thousands of applications each month and will probably have over 100,000 patients by the end of the year. I believe NM now wants as many patients and dispensaries as they can get as they are making good money off of this program. As you know, the state is in debt because of dropping oil and gas prices. A local sheriff just retired and opened a dispensary on Lomas . He put all these people in jail for drugs and then opens a dispensary. He said he changed his mind about marijuana because he wanted to go off opiates for his chronic pain.

There are 35 companies who can grow in NM and many have multiple dispensaries - besides collecting taxes, dispensary growers pay $90,000 to the Dept of Health for every 450 plants - which is the limit for each individual grow - most dispensaries have multiple grows so NM is making lots of money just on the plants growing. I live near a dispensary outdoor grow, and always talk to the guys who work there - run into them on the dirt road. Because of the limit per grow, they are growing the plants as big as small trees .

If you are just a patient, you can grow 16 plants - only 4 in flower at any one time and you can have 3oz in your house.

My best friend has MS really bad and is in chronic pain - a combination of mj and a Valium cuts her pain big time. The dispensary delivers to her house. Another friend with really bad arthritus eats mj cookies for her pain. My long time male companion has anxiety and mj takes it all away. Sorry for your pain - I have chronic knee pain in one knee and it's a drag. I also have friends who only use mj to sleep.


GWC58

(2,678 posts)
26. The western states are
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 01:06 PM
Oct 2016

going much faster than the states east of the Mississippi River. Maryland has, at least technically, had mmj since 1003. Here we are, almost into 2017 and still "nada." I don't understand the constant, unending delays. I'm not surprised though since we elected an anti cannabis governor in 14.

mountain grammy

(27,271 posts)
4. I have friends taking opiates for chronic pain..
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 06:58 PM
Sep 2016

with weed, they've cut back. One friend is completely opiate free. Its' not just the smoke, it's the edibles, the patches and the lotions. One friend is a recovered heroin addict. She just had surgery and cannot take any opiates. Her surgeon prescribed heavy duty Ibuprofen, some other non opiate pain med, and told her to smoke pot.
Look online to find CBD products. You should be buy them and have them shipped to your door. No high, but relief. Good luck.

Studies have shown:

http://hightimes.com/culture/10-little-known-uses-for-cbd/

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GWC58

(2,678 posts)
5. Thank you
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 07:05 PM
Sep 2016

for the info. When Maryland finally gets their program "up & running" I'll find a dr that recommends cannabis. I believe they can't actually prescribe it. Again, thanks.

Buzz cook

(2,586 posts)
6. Cannabis is not a wonder drug
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 07:21 PM
Sep 2016

This site is very informative.
https://www.leafly.com/finder

Usually a dispensary can refer you to a doctor that will issue a green card. Once that happens you will have to trust to the community and your own research as to what strain and what method works best for you.

IMHO the real differences are between indica and sativa, and between high and low THC vs High or low CBD.

My preferences for pain are strains named Gorilla Glue #4, Dr. Who, and Grampa Grape. But this is in Washington and the strains might have different namrs or ones with these names might not be the same in your state.
Another consideration is that people tend to have confirmation bias. By that I mean they tend to think their recreational favorite is also the best therapeutic.

Also IMO eatable is a better way to take marijuana for pain than smoking. Be aware that you will have a stronger effect if you don't have a full stomach when you consume eatables.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
8. Valuable
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 08:55 PM
Sep 2016

info. Thanks so much. This is an exciting time. Sometimes I wish I lived out there, either Washington State, or Colorado. One day, can't say when, this state will get its act together. There's so many people this could help. I realize it's not a wonder drug and it may not be right for everyone. I get the right strain I could take less, not eliminate, the pain meds I'm now on. They do help with my aching lower back pain. There are times I wish I had the body I did when in my 20's. Best shape I'd ever been in.

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GWC58

(2,678 posts)
16. Can't be
Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:33 PM
Sep 2016

digging into pharmas profit margin! Greedy bastards. They appearantly don't care if people might od on their poison. I was on Fentanyl for a month back in 2003, November it was. Didn't like it and told my dr to "take me off that crap!

PinkTiger

(2,593 posts)
18. There are places online to purchase cannabis
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 02:46 AM
Sep 2016

herb, edibles, tinctures, waxes, and more.
Just google online marijuana dispensary.
This is where I get mine, and have for several years.
I live in a state without medical mj.

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