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[TexasTowelie]

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[haikugal]

1. How does that work for people?

I've had a class c license and I don't know how drug tests would work with legal weed. It stays in your blood quite a while, can they tell the difference from say the weekend and stoned at work?

Funny TT.....

[TexasTowelie]

2. I'm not an attorney, but I guess that you would have to comply with the standards where the license

was granted. I imagine that most employers are going to prohibit their drivers from having marijuana in their system because of liability reasons.

I read that the state of Washington was trying to develop tests that are indicative of recent marijuana use so that they can distinguish the weekend weedhead from someone who uses before or at work. I'm certain that somebody else can provide better information than I can though.

[haikugal]

3. That's ok..

I only drove for a few years but I remember having home time and sharing a joint with a friend and then suddenly realizing I could be tested! Freak out because at that time anything that showed up was a lost job. I'd have to go to a trucking forum to see, don't care enough to do that..lol

Just wondered how it's being handled.

Thanks.

[fizzgig]

4. you can get fired for peeing hot in colorado, even if you have your med card

and the state supreme court heard a case on it last year. still no ruling, though.

i know this is huffpo, but it's a good clearing house for info on the case.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/brandon-coats/

[haikugal]

5. Thanks fizzgig.

[Punx]

8. Until

Cannabis is off schedule I at the federal level, I don't think that medical need will do people much good at most companies. Schedule I is complete bs and purely political. My great-great grandfather was prescribing Cannabis Sativa in the late 19th century. He was a no nonsense German doctor living in Minnesota.

[fizzgig]

13. my boss and i went a few rounds over that after it was fully legalized here

there's one contract at work you have to be drug tested for. you don't lose your job if you fail, you just can't work on that contract. i told my boss we shouldn't cut people simply for using a substance that's legal in our state and it shouldn't matter if someone uses that substance when they're not at work. i lost that argument, but i gave it a shot.

[longship]

6. Q: What about the accuracy of drug tests?

A: Just given the presumptions of the test, that an imperfect test is to reveal relatively rare drug use amongst a single demographic, e.g., truck drivers, the results will statistically necessitate that the false positives will overwhelm the false negatives. Therefore, many more people will be falsely accused as being drug users who are not, than the contrary.

And that is just from the simple statistics of the thing.

Drug testing does not work.

[F4lconF16]

9. At least for the company I worked for

To get hired you had to pass a test. If you failed the test, you could deny the results and not have the test set in to the lab so you could still retest in 6 months, or you could have it sent into the lab. If it was clear, you're fine, and you get the job. If not, that's a confirmed result and you can't be hired there permanently. The lab would eliminate the false negatives.

Drug testing (particularly for marijuana) is not a good thing, though. Oppressive as hell, and don't mean shit. As my dad says, "I could be an alcoholic who beats his wife and kids every night, and as long as I come to work sober in the morning, they don't care. But smoke a single bowl with someone in a legal state and that's grounds for getting fired."

[longship]

10. Well, the tests are not perfectly accurate.

And the simple mathematics of that inevitably leads one to the conclusion that the false positives will overwhelm the false negatives. That is why drug testing does not and cannot work.

My best to you.

[Punx]

7. Generally

Presence of THC metabolite in your urine does not prove current intoxication unless there are other signs of intoxicated behavior to go with it. In fact it is my understanding that if you are clean to start, the metabolite may not show up in your urine for a couple of hours. Now for those with CDL's or in businesses like I am in, any positive test will get you fired/cause loss of licence so be careful, but a positive test alone for metabolite is not proof of present intoxication and courts from even conservative states such as Arizona agree.

I'm going to use Washington state here for my example. To test to see if a driver is impaired they will need to do a blood draw. This is the only way I know to conclusively prove someone is actively under the influence of THC. Washington's standard is 5 Ng THC /ml of blood. This seems reasonable to me as as the studies out there show that most peoples' risk of accident goes up significantly after crossing the 4Ng level in the blood. Though at the 5 level the risk is still less than a couple of alcohol drinks. And at levels under 4 the risk is pretty much the same as sober. Probably because cannabis tends to makes you drive slower because of the heightened senses, whereas a couple of shots of whiskey tends to make you think you can do anything while reducing your judgement.

This test is required by state law to be done within 2 hours of suspicion of intoxication.


It was a while ago that I was researching this so if anyone wants to add in or correct me, feel free.

[B Calm]

11. Best thing about being retired is no longer being randomly selected

for employee drug testing.

[Go Vols]

12. The Union I was in

threatened to strike more than once when the contract came up because they wanted to drug test us.

[CountAllVotes]

14. I do not find this to be at all funny

You might care to read my post below subject: People with MS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1279357

This is a hell for me needless to say.

Funny not.

[TexasTowelie]

15. I sympathize with your situation and I regret that you are going through hell.

I don't have MS so I can't know what you are going through. I don't have a solution for your problems and I hope that marijuana laws are reformed so that the stigma that people who are in similar situations as you are experiencing vanishes.

Most people face drug tests because of either legal or employment issues, while a much smaller group is subject to drug tests because of situations like you are in. However, humor is subjective so I apologize for the post being insensitive.

[TexasTowelie]

16. Self-deleting.

Again, my apologies for being insensitive.