Unreal. And people say Bernie's supporters are rude.

[DanTex]

This isn't even a random online twitter person, it's an actual surrogate who was on MSNBC! Stuff like this really shows how hypocritical the media is for pushing the "Bernie Bro" narrative while putting hateful people like this on the air.

Link to tweet

[TwilightZone]

1. Steyer dropped out.

Is this the best you got?

[SidDithers]

16. It is...nt

Sid

[still_one]

76. +++

[Gothmog]

2. I have had up close and unpleasant expericence with vetted sanders delegates

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders by Russia to suppress the African American vote just as was done in 2016

Link to tweet

Russia will just run material showing sanders delegates booing John Lewis, Elijah Cummings and others to suppress the vote of African American voters and I feel that this tactic would be very effective

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

[DanTex]

3. Best not to re-litigate 2016 IMO.

In 2020, the level of vitriol directed at Bernie and his supporters is shocking. And it's not from random internet trolls, it's from actual surrogates and reporters, like Chris Matthews talking about executions in central park, or comparing Bernie's campaign to the Nazis invading France.

[NurseJackie]

4. Aw.

In 2020, the level of vitriol directed at Bernie and his supporters is shocking.

No, what's shocking is the hypersensitivity coming from the Sanders campaign. If they think that campaigning is rough and unfair... then they're definitely not prepared for what would come from the GOP. The winner will be tough as nails and resilient. The winner will not be delicate and pouty and complaining about the media and "vitriol" from the public.

"Shocking" huh? Good grief! GMAFB!

[DanTex]

7. You're right that Bernie is tough as nails and resilient and ready to face the GOP.

He and Bloomberg are the only candidates who have been remotely vetted, and Bloomberg has basically collapsed, while Bernie jumped to the top of the polls. Everyone else has gotten the kid gloves treatment from the media and also from the other candidates.

[NurseJackie]

11. Oh dear! How amusing!

Everyone else has gotten the kid gloves treatment from the media and also from the other candidates.

Oh dear! How amusing!

[zackymilly]

21. I can't agree that Bernie is tough as nails until he decides to release his medical records. n/t

[DanTex]

23. He already has.

[zackymilly]

24. Since his heart attack? n/t

[DanTex]

26. Yes.

[dware]

29. Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prove it.
Show us the links to him releasing his medical records after his MI.

[DanTex]

35. More exclamation points don't make it true. Sorry.

Not hard to google.

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

91. Nope, those aren't medical records, let alone the 'full disclosure' he promised...

Sanders in October (when he said Joe Biden should release his records!)

"I think when you're running for President of the United States the American people have a right to know the condition of your health. I think that is a standard that should be applicable to all candidates."

Link to tweet

Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records

Speaking during CNN's town hall in Las Vegas, Sanders was asked to clarify whether his presidential campaign would be releasing full medical records, which he previously stated he would do. Sanders will take part in the Democractic candidate debate Wedneday night.

Last October he said, "The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure."

[lapucelle]

82. BS released two letters from doctors and zero medical records. N/T

[dware]

104. Correct.

And the link DanTex provided proves that.

He doesn't seem to realize that those aren't medical records.

[redstateblues]

105. What is Bernie hiding?

It's not something good. Very Trumpian

[DanTex]

106. Absolutely nothing, obviously, since he released his medical records...

[dware]

25. No, he hasn't.

He said he would release his full medical records, but then backtracked after his MI.

That's fact, not fiction.

[DanTex]

27. Yes he has. It's a fact. Sorry, but it's true.

[dware]

28. No, he hasn't,

after his MI, he refused to release those medical records.
You can deny it all you want, but the fact is he backtracked after the MI.

[DanTex]

32. Yes, he has. I have no idea why you are trying to pretend he didn't.

Anyone can google Bernie's medical records.

[dware]

37. After the MI, he backtracked on releasing his records,

that's a matter of record.
Deny all you want, but he did backtrack.

[DanTex]

40. That's simply not true, everyone knows it, and his records are available on the internet.

Saying it again and again doesn't make it true. Sorry.

[dware]

42. Post #38 says you're wrong.

Google also says you're wrong.

[DanTex]

44. LOL. No it doesn't. I posted a link to his release. Sorry.

[dware]

48. You posted a link to a couple of Dr.s letters

not his medical records.

[DanTex]

49. A standard medical release, as medical professionals understand.

[dware]

51. IOW, not his medical records?

Thank you.

He has not released his full medical records as he said he would before his MI, that says a lot.

[DanTex]

52. Yes, his medical records.

[dware]

53. We'll just have agree to disagree. nt,.

[ehrnst]

73. No, letters. He stated he would release "comprehensive" records when

he was trying to convince a reporter that he was TOTALLY healthy after his cardiac arrest.

Apparently since then, something changed his mind about the wisdom of "full disclosure," or "what people deserve to know."

Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records

Speaking during CNN's town hall in Las Vegas, Sanders was asked to clarify whether his presidential campaign would be releasing full medical records, which he previously stated he would do. Sanders will take part in the Democractic candidate debate Wedneday night.

Last October he said, "The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure."

[NJCher]

108. It is Biden who needs to provide extended medical reports

Biden has released a three-page letter from a doctor. That's all, that's it, nothing more:

Three page letter: https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_ j5EQzueoad.pdf

Bernie released three pages of physician letters, as documented by DanTex.

Your issue seems to be that Bernie needs to provide more medical reports because of his heart attack when he has already provided at least as much as Biden.

Bernie proves every day that he is in good health with the relentless pace he keeps. He speaks at rallies with thousands and thousands of people--recently over 13,000 in Washington. The pace at which Bernie campaigns puts any other candidate to shame. If (and this is a big if) they could get the numbers of people to show up like Bernie does, it's doubtful they could match his pace.

Here are Biden's campaign events:
https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_ j5EQzueoad.pdf

Here are Bernie's:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/berniesanders/events/

There's no comparison. Biden's leisurely campaign events cannot equal Bernie's strenuous schedule. You want an extended report testifying to Bernie's physical health? Bernie proves his health and stamina every single day of this campaign.

Biden's medical report is incomplete and I want to see a complete cognitive workup by a neuropsychologist and a psychiatrist. The man literally does not even know where he's at: there was the embarrassing incident last summer when he thought he was in Vermont and he was in New Hampshire. Here's what he said:

He was in Keene, NH: "I love this place. Look, what’s not to like about Vermont in terms of the beauty of it? And what a neat town...everybody has been really friendly. I like Keene a lot."

Even worse, the previous week he mixed up Burlington, VT and Burlington, IA.

The list of Biden's mental confusion and brain freeze-ups could go on for pages. I want to see medical reports clarifying just what his problem is.

So to summarize:

--Bernie and Biden have released the same amount in terms of a medical report
--Bernie proves every day that he has good health and stamina by executing an intensive campaign schedule while Biden ambles to an event here and there, usually with a fraction of the people that Bernie deals with.
--Biden shows us on a regular basis that there is something wrong with his cognitive abilities. It is, therefore, Biden who needs to show supplemental medical reports.

[ehrnst]

109. Whataboutism. Bernie alone said that he would release comprehensive records, and then reneged.

I guess he decided those standards don't apply to him...

Something must have turned up in his records that made him decide that it would be bad for his campaign.

Link to tweet

[NJCher]

112. sorry, you don't get to excuse such obvious mental deficiencies

with "whataboutism." Address the points I made.

[ehrnst]

113. Sorry, you don't get to change the topic from Bernie's demand of Biden, because you can't defend it

Address his demand that Biden release his records, then refused to release his own after stating that "full disclosure" should be the standard for everyone...



You were talking about "mental deficiencies?"

[NJCher]

115. yes, actually I do get to do that

because Biden originally promised a more extensive release of medical records. Google it and you will find several stories that say this.

So it is Biden who is the hypocrite here as he failed to live up to his promise. I think you're using this as a distraction from Biden's failure to come across. It's a common enough tactic these days. Accuse someone else of what you yourself have done.

In any event, even if that were not the case, there are so many mental failings that I do not see how Biden could ever win against Trump. These instances are on-the-air failures and they will be powerful fodder for republicans to cast doubt on Biden being able to lead the country.

[ehrnst]

120. Actually, what Biden does or does not do, does not excuse Senator Sanders' reneging

on his announced assurances that he would live up to the standard that HE stated all candidates should live up to. You are attempting, and not succeeding in distracting from the gap between what Sanders said he would do, and what he did.

What you're attempting is exactly that, using Whataboutism. You can google that and find several websites that explain this.

In any event, even if that were not the case, there are so many mental failings that I do not see how Biden could ever win against Trump.

I would also be cautious broaching "mental issues" concerning any other candidate. That can come back and bite ya.


You're welcome.

[ehrnst]

74. Sanders told Sanjay Gupta he would be "releasing his medical records related to the heart attack

And the implantation of two stents in a blocked artery," last October.

Bernie Sanders walks back promise to release 'comprehensive' medical records

The 78-year-old Democratic presidential hopeful said in September that he would “absolutely” release his medical records ahead of the presidential primary season, which kicked off with the Iowa caucuses last week.

“The American people have the right to know whether the person they’re going to be voting for for president is healthy,” Sanders said at the time.“And we will certainly release our medical records ... before the first votes are cast.”

“I want to make it comprehensive,” Sanders said in explaining the delay. “The answer is I will, probably by the end of the year.”

Bernie Sanders backtracks on 'full disclosure' pledge on his medical records

In October, however, Sanders told CNN’s Sanjay Gupta that he would be releasing his medical records related to the heart attack and the implantation of two stents in a blocked artery.

“The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who’s running for president of the United States — full disclosure,” Sanders said, pledging to release his full medical records. “But you know, the first concern that people had [was] to understand what was going on. Before we reveal information dribble by dribble.”

In a separate interview with ABC News, Sanders again pledged to release his full medical records “as soon as we can.”

[ehrnst]

96. LOL, Those aren't the medical records that he promised to release when he called for Biden to.

You're not convincing anyone that those are medical records, let alone "comprehensive ones" like he stated all politicians need to produce for "full disclosure."



The White House hopeful addressed his health Thursday in Iowa ahead of his first appearance in an early voting state since suffering a heart attack earlier in the month. The 78-year-old Vermont senator has repeatedly promised to release his health records at some point, but he outlined a likely timeline in an interview with The Associated Press.

“I want to make it comprehensive,” Sanders said in explaining the delay. “The answer is I will, probably by the end of the year.”

Link to tweet

[zackymilly]

57. Doctor notes or records? There is a difference, you know. n/t

[DanTex]

58. It's a standard medical release, as everyone knows. Doctors take letters like that seriously.

It's only people trying to smear Bernie that don't understand that. Or pretend not to.

[ehrnst]

89. Pretending to ignore that he called for Biden to release his medical records, while promising his

to release his own "full disclosure" doesn't lend one credibility.

[ehrnst]

93. Holding Bernie to his own words is not "smearing him."

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

99. Denying his refusal to release his comprehensive records over and over

doesn't make it true.

Especially when there's video of him calling on others to do so while he promised to himself...

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

100. Then post the link to these "records." You know Trump claims his letters were records.

I think that Sanders supporters have a higher bar.

[zackymilly]

38. So I googled it, and from just 3 days ago, I get..

Bernie Sanders keeps medical records top secret

“People do have a right to know about the health of … someone running for president … we will make all of our medical records public.” he said.
Well, maybe not. On second thought (or perhaps third) Sanders released letters from three of his doctors, but said he will not make all his medical records public. Because, he said, “you can start releasing medical records and it never ends.”

[DanTex]

41. Hmm...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=606092

[dware]

45. LOL.

Those aren't medical records, those are Dr.s letters saying he is fit.

For enough money, I can get a Dr. to say I'm no 74 years old.

[ehrnst]

90. Another failed attempt to redirect... Bernie promised 'full disclosure" of his medical records,

then refused to make good.

And you are frantically copying and pasting talking points that the media is "smearing" him for reporting what he said, then that he backpedaled.

Sanders in October (when he said Joe Biden should release his records!) "I think when you're running for President of the United States the American people have a right to know the condition of your health. I think that is a standard that should be applicable to all candidates."

Link to tweet

[blue cat]

85. Please stop

He released letters from doctors and not his medical record like he said he would.

[DanTex]

86. Please stop. Letters from doctors are a standard med release.

Doctors take letters very seriously, it’s not just some stationery with a stamp on it. You wouldn’t know that from the media bashing him but it’s true.

[ehrnst]

87. 'Standard' for a politician who promised comprehensive "medical records" by Jan 1?

You'd think he'd be eager to show evidence that he's as healthy as he claims - if only to show up everyone else by releasing his comprehensive medical records. It sounds like something turned up in those records that would make "full disclosure" bad for the campaign. Hence the full reverse, and the testiness with the media when they hold him to his word.

Especially since he was calling for Biden to release his medical records....

Link to tweet

Sanders committed to disclosing his full medical records in September. The next month he had a heart attack.

In an October interview with Gupta after his heart attack, Sanders indicated again that he would release his medical records, saying: "The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure."

Asked what the standard should be for presidential candidates when it comes to releasing such information, Sanders replied, “I think when you’re running for President of the United States the American people have a right to know the condition of your health. I think that is a standard that should be applicable to all candidates.”

In October, however, Sanders told CNN’s Sanjay Gupta that he would be releasing his medical records related to the heart attack and the implantation of two stents in a blocked artery.

“The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who’s running for president of the United States — full disclosure,” Sanders said, pledging to release his full medical records.

In a separate interview with ABC News, Sanders again pledged to release his full medical records “as soon as we can.”

https://apnews.com/1d0c007e8527413faf8df9cf23a56277

So, Dan, what part of that is "bashing?" The part that points out where he said one thing, then did another, and makes it embarrassing for you to keep saying he "doesn't change" and he never says one thing then does another?

That sounds a lot like my Trump supporting relatives talking about the "media bashing Trump" when they reported that he said were airports in the Revolutionary War.

[stopdiggin]

30. No. That's just not true. Stop.

[DanTex]

31. Yes, it is true. Stop.

[stopdiggin]

50. "said he will not make all his medical records public."

"Because, he said, “you can start releasing medical records and it never ends.”

The evidence would appear to support an answer of, "NO!"
This is post truth "alternative facts" world we're dealing with?

[ehrnst]

95. It's been very, very difficult for some people to accept evidence that contradicts

a very important belief they have.

Direct evidence that Sanders did indeed promise something, then didn't deliver, when Sanders claims to never do that, is causing desperate attempts to redirect, and to deny the facts by saying that the media is persecuting Sanders when they report his contradictory words and actions.

[ehrnst]

94. Cognitive dissonance

Cognitive dissonance occurs when a person holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values, or participates in an action that goes against one of these three, and experiences psychological stress because of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

[rockfordfile]

114. Both are tough

[Celerity]

134. you posted a defence of this twitter troll below m8, so it is all on you

Your OP playing the plazzy victim card for this POS

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=607895



and THIS is who you were defending

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287607895#post51

that twitter troll in your OP is a perfect example of the Sanderite social hit job patrol on parade

actually not a perfect example as many are worse

like the Sanders supporting gay-bashers of Pete


but your example of some good person is a real piece of shit as well, m8

why do you try and glorify that fuckstick???

seriously


from that thread of yours:

Samuel D. Finkelstein II
@CANCEL_SAM
·
5h
August 13, 2010

“Sen. Bernie Sanders today pressed President Obama to name consumer advocate and Harvard Professor Elizabeth Warren to head the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.”

Ten years later, Warren is selling her soul to sabotage Bernie. Sad.

Link to tweet

that bloke is scum

here is a racist attack on Warren

Link to tweet

here he is calling Pete a rat

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

retweeting more Pete as a rat

Link to tweet

and again

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

accusing Pete of being a CIA leaker

Link to tweet

accusing Bloomberg of being a Putin puppet

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

5. sanders has hired liars like Sirota and stein supporters

If anything, sanders supporters are even nastier than in the last cycle. The concept that a campaign that has supporters who brought a coffin to a Biden event want to complain about rude behavior amuses me

[DanTex]

8. Still blaming Bernie for the Warren supporters who brought the coffin to the Biden event?

Basically proves my point.

[Gothmog]

10. It was sanders supporters

Link to tweet

?s=20

[DanTex]

12. Daily Mail??? LOL. It was a group led by a Warren supporter.

Not that it matters. Again, the game of blaming Bernie or Warren for what random people with no connection to the campaign do is silly. The anti-Bernie lies and smears come from established media figures like Chris Matthews, as well as surrogates like James Carville or the guy in the OP.

[NYMinute]

13. Some don't want memories of being anti-Sanders

[TexasTowelie]

33. .

[Cha]

36. It's the General Election and we can talk about that

if we want.. or anything.. this is Democratic Underground Political Discussion Board.

[AncientGeezer]

43. You keep posting that....I know why. What Bernie did in '16 is 180*'s from what you want now

[DanTex]

46. Because I have no interest in re-litigating 2016. A lot happened, best not to re-litigate.

[AncientGeezer]

54. Then he and his supporters should stay consistant...dont try to change rules

..every time it doesn't go your way.
He agreed to the new rules he/his team helped craft....now he'll live by them..or lose by them

[DanTex]

55. Bernie's not trying to change any rules. Huh??

[AncientGeezer]

59. You are...You post constantly that the candidate (Bernie) with the most.....

..delegates in the primaries should be the nominee.
That's not the rule though. 1700, 1810, 1899 doesn't cut it. It's 1901

The rule is 1991 delegates....so if Bernie has anything less.. he is NOT the nominee.
Dan...it's easy math and simple rules your preferred candidate agreed to.
If he doesn't have 1991 at the end of the primaries, 1st round.....it's game on at the convention.

[DanTex]

60. Of course the candidate with the most delegates should be the nominee.

That's got nothing to do with changing the rules.

[AncientGeezer]

61. The rule is 1991...NOT..the "most"...so it would be by definton..changing the rules.

[DanTex]

63. Who said anything about changing the rules?

It's up to the delegates and the supers. The question is, will they respect democracy or not.

I think they should. So does Bernie.

[ehrnst]

64. "It's up to the delegates and the supers. The question is, will they respect democracy or not."

I think they should. So does Bernie.

On May 29, 2016, Sanders said superdelegates had the “very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump [is not] elected president of the United States. Vote for the strongest candidate.

And even as Clinton secured the Democratic nomination the following week, Sanders continued to push for superdelegates to vote to override Clinton’s pledged delegate majority.

Told on June 7, 2016, that his superdelegate convention push would defy history and the will of the voters, Sanders said, “Defying history is what this campaign has been about.””

Bernie Sanders pushed for a contested convention in 2016. Now he wants to avoid one. Feb 27, 2020

[AncientGeezer]

67. It's not a democractic process....you've been told that often about this.

The Senator isn't a Democrat.....he's an Independent... so why is it important?

The rules are 1991 to win. If your guy has 1991 going into the Convention...he's the candidate. No need for round 2... No SD's(Bernie is an SD as you know) vote in round 1.
If the leader is under 1991 whatever candidate in R1....then round 2... then it gets fun.

Bernie tried to get the SD's to switch the results in '16...you know that race you don't want to re litigate.....but this time....not so much???
Can't have it both ways...there's a word I'm looking for.....hmmm.....oh I know...hypocrisy

[DanTex]

68. It could be. Depends on whether the delegates decide to respect the will of the voters.

I think they should. So does Bernie. We'll see.

[ehrnst]

70. "Depends on whether the delegates decide to respect the will of the voters."

I think they should. So does Bernie. We'll see.

On May 29, 2016, Sanders said superdelegates had the “very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump [is not] elected president of the United States. Vote for the strongest candidate.

And even as Clinton secured the Democratic nomination the following week, Sanders continued to push for superdelegates to vote to override Clinton’s pledged delegate majority.

Told on June 7, 2016, that his superdelegate convention push would defy history and the will of the voters, Sanders said, “Defying history is what this campaign has been about.””

Bernie Sanders pushed for a contested convention in 2016. Now he wants to avoid one. Feb 27, 2020

[AncientGeezer]

72. Ooooh hell...now you've done gone there....

Dan says we can't re litigate '16.....the crap the Senator tried then has nothing to do with now....yeah I saw the idiocy in that also

[ehrnst]

78. It's documented history. The only one 're-litigating" is DanTex, because acknowledging that history

would mean having to also acknowledge an enormous flip-flop on the part of his prefered candidate, who he continually states "does not change."

[AncientGeezer]

71. He didn't in 2016....why now?(I now why) Can't have it both ways.

Nobody else is asking for that.

[ehrnst]

77. Well, it seems there's one rule for Sanders, and another for everyone else. Just ask DanTex.

[AncientGeezer]

79. I have been...I'd almost prefer to get coronavirus....that stays consistant...Unlike....

[AncientGeezer]

83. And I could be be Ironman but I'm not.. and....this election is too important to NOT follow..

....The rules. Sanders gets 1991 delegates he wins...17-18-1957....he doesn't.
Them's(yep, redneck) the rules he agreed to...as a temporary Democratic candidate.....OR there's another option.
Get out of the rules he doesn't abide by... and Win on his own...surely you must have enough support to win alone instead of pulling down Democrats that can beat the orange asswagon.

[DanTex]

84. Again, it's got nothing to do with the rules.

Everyone agrees we should follow the rules. The question is how are the delegates are going to carry out those rules.

They could respect the Democratic will of the voters and unite behind the candidate with the most pledged delegates. Or they could not do that and fracture the party, effectively handing Trump a second term.

[ehrnst]

97. "They could respect the Democratic will of the voters and unite behind the candidate with the most

pledged delegates."

On May 29, 2016, Sanders said superdelegates had the “very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump [is not] elected president of the United States. Vote for the strongest candidate.

And even as Clinton secured the Democratic nomination the following week, Sanders continued to push for superdelegates to vote to override Clinton’s pledged delegate majority.

Told on June 7, 2016, that his superdelegate convention push would defy history and the will of the voters, Sanders said, “Defying history is what this campaign has been about.””

Bernie Sanders pushed for a contested convention in 2016. Now he wants to avoid one. Feb 27, 2020

[ehrnst]

62. "Of course the candidate with the most delegates should be the nominee."

On May 29, 2016, Sanders said superdelegates had the “very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump [is not] elected president of the United States. Vote for the strongest candidate.

And even as Clinton secured the Democratic nomination the following week, Sanders continued to push for superdelegates to vote to override Clinton’s pledged delegate majority.

Told on June 7, 2016, that his superdelegate convention push would defy history and the will of the voters, Sanders said, “Defying history is what this campaign has been about.””

Bernie Sanders pushed for a contested convention in 2016. Now he wants to avoid one. Feb 27, 2020

[ehrnst]

69. "Huh?"

Pretending not to know what the question was...

Weren't you complaining about that in this very thread?

[ehrnst]

92. "A lot happened" A lot that you really want everyone else to forget...

[ehrnst]

66. Dogwhistle....

Hasn't worked, yet, but you keep on trying.

[sheshe2]

81. They are talking about the GE not the Primary. nt

[ehrnst]

88. Copy and paste that dogwhistle all you want, but it just doesn't work...

Frantic whataboutism just calls more attention to what one is trying to minimize.

[ehrnst]

102. Are you saying Gothmog is lying? How is reporting what they saw with their own eyes a

matter of "litigating" unless you are saying it's untrue.

[LanternWaste]

110. His sacred and righteous oppression rises to the level of abject holiness.

And his disciples, Brave, brave Sir Robin, are without compare.

[Gothmog]

116. But the sanders supporters are engaged in the same tactics

I have seen no improvement in the behavior of sanders supporters and I have seen no attempt by sanders or his campaign to control such bad behavior

[joshcryer]

131. Supressing the vote is how they won that race.

And it's shit like this how they do it. It's freaking mind games. Thanks for sharing your personal story here.

[Gothmog]

132. If sanders is the nominee, the Russians will be playing video of sanders delegates booing Lewis

The Russian will have an easy time depressing the vote of African Americans if sanders is the nominee.

[joshcryer]

133. There's so much out there.

Particularly Bernie Bro nastiness just in general will make people not want to support him or be less enthused about him.

I feel 2004 redux all over again.

[jmg257]

6. Is that the clown on MSNBC yesterday wanting the govt to cap peoples earning?

Glad he was smacked down.

What doesn't fly, is the notion that a billionaire can *earn* a billion dollars.

Goofy shit.

[IluvPitties]

9. The far-left and the far-right are both equally dangerous.

They both are against individual freedom.

[grantcart]

14. Bernie supporters are ver rude

Yesterday Bernie supported openly booed Joe Biden twice when Bernie mentioned his name, and Bernie did not admonish them.

Best line of the campaign season was when Senator Klobuchar was booed at a multi candidate event and she said "Good to have Sanders supporters here" to uproarious laughter and applause.

They boo because they self identify as aggrieved victims more than as Democrats and feel entitled to boo other Democrats. That is why when they lose the nomination where there guy had all the advantages and a 4 year start they will be rude, aggrieved and embittered.

You are aware that logically you have done nothing to counter the "Sanders supporters are Rude premise" right?

A = B. (A = Sanders supporters) (B = Rude)

C = B ( C = Some random guy)

Just because C = B it doesn't make A = B any less rude.

Sanders supporters are consistently the rudest supporters and that is because Sanders us the mist embittered leader in a generation and they take their clue from their leader whose favourite word is "unfair". If you are angry and embittered then you feel entitled to consider yourself above the rest of the party and boo everyone not in your cult.

[DanTex]

15. My experience has been very different. The anti-Bernie people are far ruder.

But I guess it's a matter of opinion which supporters are more rude.

But it's not a matter of opinion that in the OP we have an actual surrogate comparing Bernie to Stalin, or Chris Matthews comparing Bernie's campaign to the Nazis invading France, or James Carville calling Bernie a communist.

[grantcart]

17. It's not a matter of opinion it's in the videos as recent as yesterday

Yesterday Bernie mentioned Biden's name twice and the crowd loudly booed both times. Bernie said nothing.

When other candidates have congratulated Sanders there has been restrained polite applause.

Naming one guy no one has never heard of does not negate a consistent practice that went on last campaign with Bernie bros and is still going on right in front of Sanders in a campaign event.

Of course when you are not a Democrat and you openly brag about attacking the leadership of the party, as Sanders has repeatedly done and repeated in his ABC interview just today you are gunning your followers to be angry at Democratic leaders and that's why Sanders did not chastise his supporters 4 years ago and won't do it this time.

[DanTex]

18. Of course it is. There are huge numbers of supporters of all candidates.

It depends which incidents you choose to focus on. The media focuses only on rude things Bernie supporters do, and completely ignores all the much ruder things that anti-Bernie people do.

Which isn't surprising, when you have people like Chris Matthews comparing the Bernie campaign to the Nazis invading France. Of course they are going to smear Bernie supporters just as much as they smear Bernie.

[grantcart]

20. The rudeness if Sanders supporters has been a documented

Phenomena going back to 2016 with people self identifying as Bernie Bros and bragging about hostile and rude conduct.

Your citation of Matthews is just more of the practiced victimhood of Sanderism.

Matthews isn't a candidate or a supporter and one gives a shit what is making CM leg tingle or his frequent misguided efforts to find historical ties in past world events

Apples to pineapples

What people are talking about is not a talking head here or there but [b. the actions of thousands at an official campaign event. In the case yesterday interrupting the candidate twice with loud booes when he mentioned Biden.

The point that you have consistently missed is it really isn't any particular supporter or even a group of supporters that is relevant, as there are some jerks in every group, it's the candidate's response that is the point.

Sanders, over the years does nothing to admonish his rude supporters, yesterday he had 2 opportunities and did nothingw/b]

He wants the boos because he wants to demonstrate that he intends to completely remake the Democratic Party in his image. That is why he wanted to primary President Obama.

I understand that Sanders is only a temporary visitor to the Democratic Party but someone should explain to him that openly booing a fellow Democrat, a lifelong party leader at that, is considered rude.

[DanTex]

22. You forgot the quotes around "documented".

The people doing the "documenting" are none other than the Chris Matthewses and Joy Reids, people who smear Bernie all day long. It's not the least bit surprising that they would push the myth that Bernie supporters are somehow ruder than supporters of other candidates.

And part of it is exactly what you did: whenever someone smears Bernie, anyone who brings it up is dismissed with the "victimhood" talking point. That's how anti-Bernie people manage to actually believe the "Bernie Bro" myth in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They simply ignore all the vicious and false smears against Bernie, even things like comparing Bernie's campaign to the Nazi army, as "victimhood".

Needless to say, nobody outside of the circle of Bernie-haters believes any of it.

[ehrnst]

98. By 'documented" you mean like like a bunch of screen shots of uncited headlines and tweets

tweet out by disgraced journalists?

[cwydro]

19. Assholes on all sides.

Do you think you’ve brought anyone to your candidate by posting this stuff?

Or does it just make you feel better somehow?

[AGeddy]

34. That's it! I'm not voting for Tom Steyer now.

[zackymilly]

56. Ha! nt

[stopdiggin]

39. well that's a pretty stupid exchange

on BOTH sides. (IMO) Not sure if that really goes a long way in building your case.

[AncientGeezer]

47. Styers suspended....this is moot

[ehrnst]

65. Whataboutism in an effort to deflect from a double digit loss in SC, bellwether of the

eventual nomination.

[NurseJackie]

103. Of course that's what it is.

[brewens]

80. Not all billionaires are looters, but they benefit from some of the scam system that allows people

to rake in fortunes without really doing anything productive. They have just continually come up with ways to take more of what there is to be had.

A lot of the bullshit on Wall Street with the high frequency trading is nothing more than raking off the top without doing anything productive. It's supposed to be a meritocracy, but mostly only for those of us that have to work hard.

[ehrnst]

101. "Bernie Staffer Mocked Warren's Looks, Pete's Sexuality on Private Twitter Account"

Not his supporters, but still rude by any standard...

How about other staffers yelling "FUCK WARREN!!! FUCK PETE!!!!" in a bar in Iowa. You dismissed that as people "blowing off steam."

I guess they didn't get the memo that Sanders emailed to his surrogates telling them to be 'respectful to those who don't agree."

What say you?

[LanternWaste]

111. I can see why you want to focus on Anything-Not-Bernie after his abject defeat this weekend.

And yeah... you're right: people do infect say Bernie's supporters are rude. Qu'el suprise, mes ami!

[Gothmog]

127. The last debate was horrible for sanders

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

117. From the Hoarse Whisperer

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[DanTex]

118. Hoarse Whisperer is a corporate marketing guy with clients including oil, pharma, etc.

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/26/twitter-sleuths-uncover-an-anti-bernie-conspiracy-infuriating-the-pundit-class/

[Gothmog]

121. I enjoy the posts from the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[DanTex]

122. That's fine. Just pointing out who he is.

[Gothmog]

125. Here is another accurate post from the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

137. Again the Hoarse Whisperer is very wise

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[yardwork]

119. The humanity.

[ibegurpard]

123. LOL 122 replies to this thread and I only see 16

[TwilightZone]

129. You probably have the right idea.

I, however, am apparently a masochist.

[Gothmog]

124. Sanders folks deleted their disgusting homophobic video...but it's been captured for posterity.

Link to tweet

[beachbumbob]

126. ask Betsy Londrigan, the democratic candidate for Il-13th about how rude sander's supporters are

you will hear what you don't want to acknowledge for sure.

[LanternWaste]

128. Compare and contrast the aberration and the standard.

While you're at it, ignore the standard deviation. And ignore the spread. That's some classic Our Gang Comedies mathematics you've got going there, fella!

But I get it... adherence to logic would deny us our righteous Faulty Comparison. And that simply won't do.






(and yeah... keep pretending the media is pushing a meme created by those who most righteously rail against it)

[Aaron Pereira]

130. Time for a good look in the mirror.

It's hilarious really.

[Sapient Donkey]

135. From my perspective it's a matter of scale and intensity

At least on the wilder parts of social media (not here on DU) there is a much larger number of extremely hostile and undiplomatic Sander supporters. A lot of "If I don't get my way with everything, then I am going to watch it all burn, and you not agreeing with me on everything makes you an awful horrible person" There is far more "my candidate or bust" sentiments than you get with any other candidate's supporters. I just read a thread in which someone said he will only vote for Bernie in the general, and that had lots of likes and people commenting in agreement. You might see that on a smaller scale with other candidates, but that often leads to people trying to sway the person to take a different stance.

Also. there are far more cruel (although mostly harmless) memes from Sander's supporters against Biden, Warren, Buttiegeig, and to some extent Klobuchar than there are against Bernie coming from other democratic supporters (conservative attacks don't count) Not to mention the crazy stuff we see like that one local bernie campaign guy who defended Stalin's gulags and promoted re-education camps in the US and said cities will burn if Sanders didn't win. I thought that was too ridiculous to be real, but sadly it seems like it was. And weird stuff like that pops up every so often. If it was just one then it's like whatever, but there always seems to be something.

There are also Bernie surrogates like David Sirota spreading misinformation and twisting the truth in the most dishonest ways possible. Take the story from him about beto o'rourke in which he implied Beto was getting large amounts of funding from big oil special interest groups, but if you dug a little you would see they were all individual donations from people who just happened to work at a company in the oil/gas industry...But he's from Texas in which the oil and gas industry employs a large percentage of the population. Not to mention the stuff he did in 2016 in which on election day he was writing hit pieces on Clinton.

Anyway, the point is that to me it seems like there is a lot more vitriol and "us vs them" coming from a lot of Sander's supporters when compared to other candidates.

[Gothmog]

136. sanders supporters have started booing reporters at rallies

Link to tweet

[OnDoutside]

138. And they've ramped up the "Joe has dementia" attacks on Twitter, Facebook and Youtube etc. It

seems utterly coordinated.

[Gothmog]

139. Who is surprised by this?

Many sanders supporters are not nice people

[OnDoutside]

140. And some, I assume, are good people.

There's an ideological core who are pressing the buttons of people who are angry, and using them to flood the net with all sorts of shite.

[yardwork]

142. That's exactly what they did to Hillary in 2016.

[OnDoutside]

144. Yes, that's right.

[Gothmog]

145. Booing reporters is not acceptable conduct

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

141. You won't win.

[Gothmog]

143. sanders supporters are being jerks yet again

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

147. here is another sanders' supporter who is not nice

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Gothmog]

148. Women are rejecting Sanders

sanders is losing primaries due to lack of support from women voters. It appears that in part women voters reject the conduct of Bernie bros

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For all the talk about Sen. Bernie Sanders’s diverse coalition and progressive outlook (and all the questions about the “likability” of female candidates), it should not escape notice that the biggest group of Democratic voters — women — overwhelmingly rejected the Vermont independent.

In Michigan, women made up 54 percent of the electorate; former vice president Joe Biden won 58 percent among these voters, compared to 35 percent for Sanders. In Missouri, women also accounted for 54 percent of the electorate; they chose Biden 64 to 32 percent. In Mississippi, 58 percent of the electorate was female; women chose Biden 83 to 12 percent.

Go back to Super Tuesday. Biden’s median support among women was 12 points higher than Sanders’s (37 to 25 percent) but only four points higher among men. In all Super Tuesday state exit polls, women made up more than 50 percent of the electorate — reaching roughly 60 percent in some cases (e.g. 58 percent in Minnesota, 61 percent in Alabama, 59 percent in Maine). That reflects the huge gender gap between the two parties that has only widened during the Trump era.....

Women’s aversion to Sanders may also be a rejection of the Bernie Bros phenomenon — the obnoxious harassment and even threats directed at women (including journalists and union leaders, as was the case in Nevada). Plenty of women did not think it was the least bit improbable that Sanders told Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) he did not think a woman could win. The only other candidate whose campaign ethos is so infused with testosterone is Trump.

The degree to which Sanders has turned off women is a fundamental problem for the left, which contrary to its self-conception is largely white and male. It is hard to present oneself as the vanguard of a diverse party when your coalition on race and gender (but not age) looks like a Republican coalition. Moreover, it is impossible to win as a Democrat without the support and enthusiasm of women.