Great new Biden ad on sanders' lies about Social Security

[Gothmog]

Link to tweet

[McKim]

1. This Does Biden No Favors

This attack ad does Biden no favors. Instead, I would like to hear from Biden about how he would manage a pandemic if he were president. Biden should be talking issues.

[Hav]

3. It's a 30 second ad addressing BS' lies

I'm sure it won't be his only ad and he'll cover other topics besides BS' lies that need to be confronted.
But you can't put every topic into 30 seconds.

[still_one]

7. He has to address it. Ignoring Sanders lies about Biden would be a mistake

[BigOleDummy]

20. Agreed

100% Agreed

[Thekaspervote]

27. Joe is correct because sanders isn't going to stop putting this kind of false stuff out there

[still_one]

45. No he won't, and Joe needs to call the lie out for what it is

[emmaverybo]

50. These lies must be addressed. Only wish he had said "Bernie is lying about me because he's losing."

[Ferrets are Cool]

8. It IS addressing issues. Orangeanus just said that he will cut SS and medicare benefits.

Joe said he would increase them. While I wish they both were attacking tRump with more ferocity, there is still a primary race going on.

[ehrnst]

17. Sanders and Iraq...

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: "Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.

Authorization for Use of Military Force - Authorizes the President to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons.

States that this Act is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of the War Powers Resolution.

And there's Sierra Blanca....
Sanders' are still profiting from Sierra Blanca nuclear waste dump, per their 2014 tax return

and voting against the Brady bill five times...

[George II]

19. That's false, Biden was never open to "dialing back Social Security". Sanders' ONLY "issue"...

...now is that Biden voted for the AUMF (not Iraq War resolution)

This is 2020, time to worry about the problems in 2020 than complain about decades ago.

[ehrnst]

24. Bernie voted for the AUMF as well....

[ehrnst]

23. False statement about Biden and Social Security and Medicare...

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — As a congressman in the 1990s, Bernie Sanders expressed an openness to making “adjustments” to the tax and benefit structure of Social Security. He also praised an overhaul of the social safety net program signed into law by President Ronald Reagan that reduced benefits and increased taxes on working families.

Sanders’ presidential campaign and allies have highlighted similar remarks by Joe Biden to attack the former vice president and make the explosive charge that Biden was an outspoken proponent of slashing the program.

[lapucelle]

37. How did you miss this?

[Cha]

91. Thank you!

[lapucelle]

40. Isn't that "If your time is short..." stuff from a BS attack ad?

[lapucelle]

41. BS voted with Republicans against the Brady Bill five times and in favor of the PLCAA.

Link to tweet

[Politicub]

34. Attack? You and I must have viewed different ads.

This ad takes on Trump by pointing out how his campaign thrives on chaos. It aims high to deflect a low blow.

Regarding the pandemic, Biden has addressed this in a recent townhall or debate. He has direct experience mobilizing the government as he has done for SARS and MERS. He will take a science-based approach.

[Happy Hoosier]

43. Do you think Sanders should stop bullshit attacks? NT

[Blue_true]

58. They won't answer that question. nt

[emmaverybo]

48. He has to take on lies and distortions. Hardly an attack, just setting the record straight. As with

Bernie’s using Obama in an ad, he put out a misleading ad using Biden’s words out of context—Biden was commenting on Republicans, not articulating his own stance. He was using sarcasm and
Bernie spun it. If Biden did not fight back against that propagandist trash, I’d be angry.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. Exactly!! And the ad ignores what Joe actually SAID... so it's a weak attack against Bernie!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[ehrnst]

85. But it shows xactly what Bernie said...

[Blue_true]

57. Sanders is trying to distort Biden's RECORD on Social Security.

What is Biden supposed to do, look the other way and let the lie sink into people's heads?

[Cha]

89. This is an Excellent Ad Getting the Truth Out There!

[Gothmog]

90. Joe did that

Link to tweet

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[Gothmog]

96. Does this work for you?

Link to tweet

[Submariner]

2. Let's hope this inspires Bernie to avoid going scorched earth at their debate

thus ensuring trump for another 4 years.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. Does "scorched earth" include quoting Joe Biden?!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[SilasSouleII]

10. Well if what you mean by quoting

Is what that seriously bogus BS ad "quoting" BO purporting to to endorse BS, then... yes.

[NYMinute]

16. Yes, quoting him deceptively with doctored videos and taking words out of context

IS scorched earth. Absolutely. Definitely. Positively. Certainly.



Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Either way they are stronger together & can't be bought!!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[George II]

26. "Scorched earth" includes MIS-quoting Joe Biden.

[ehrnst]

29. You mean misquote?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — As a congressman in the 1990s, Bernie Sanders expressed an openness to making “adjustments” to the tax and benefit structure of Social Security. He also praised an overhaul of the social safety net program signed into law by President Ronald Reagan that reduced benefits and increased taxes on working families.

Sanders’ presidential campaign and allies have highlighted similar remarks by Joe Biden to attack the former vice president and make the explosive charge that Biden was an outspoken proponent of slashing the program.

[HarlanPepper]

35. No just beating Bernie from coast to coast.

Is Bernie SoArING now?

[Politicub]

36. Yes. When Bernie takes quotes out of context and uses them

as a cheap shot, it’s him employing a scorched-earth tactic.

[Happy Hoosier]

44. Then you won't mind when we quote Sanders....

... let’s see how that work# out.

[ehrnst]

47. Crickets....

[Gothmog]

59. sanders is on record calling for cuts to Social Security

This is not a good issue for sanders when sanders is guilty of the exact same conduct in the real world

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[napi21]

80. NO IT DOESN', but it does mean "misquoting" to mislead. BS knows better! n/t

[Gothmog]

83. sanders ad was found to be misleading and false but it still being used

That is sad

[napi21]

84. Apparently that's the way he WANTS to run his campaign this time. You're right. It's sad! n/t

[Duppers]

52. Exactly! 👍

[Baitball Blogger]

4. This is a valid issue for Biden to respond to.

He has been talking about parring down or eliminating Social Security for 30 years. You talk about how American's don't even have $400.00 dollars to prepare for a pandemic? Well, fuck. Don't you think Social Security would go a long way to help Americans weather out a pandemic?

I will watch the debate to see what Biden has to say on this matter. So sick of the triangulation method that is more of a strangulation when it comes to helping the American people.

[Bayard]

12. Eliminating Social Security for 30 years

Please provide references.

[Baitball Blogger]

13. Just heard it on MSNBC.

[True Blue American]

32. I heard it on the TV

Has to be true!

[Blue_true]

61. The cousin of "I saw it on the Internet, so it must be true".

[Blue_true]

60. From some Bernie admirer. Maybe you should seek out facts and go from there.

The Sanders campaign is trying to make an outright lie stick.

[True Blue American]

63. :)

Same schtick!

[Baitball Blogger]

67. Facts are a stubborn thing, and I provided them.

Would be helpful if you read the other thread to see how this one ended.

[ehrnst]

65. A search on MSNBC of Biden 30 years Social Security returns nothing

http://www.msnbc.com/search/biden%2030%20years%20social%20security

Perhaps you heard what you wanted to hear, rather than what was said...

[Baitball Blogger]

68. That's just crazy. You think there's a transcript minutes after there's a conversation

between two people?

And you're not trying too hard to find the information on Biden's social security position. It is not difficult to google. I'm sure it will come up in the next debate.

[ehrnst]

71. You mean hours afterwards? Perhaps you aren't looking at a clock...

It's not difficult...

I think you may have heard what you wanted to... because of this:



https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — As a congressman in the 1990s, Bernie Sanders expressed an openness to making “adjustments” to the tax and benefit structure of Social Security. He also praised an overhaul of the social safety net program signed into law by President Ronald Reagan that reduced benefits and increased taxes on working families.

Sanders’ presidential campaign and allies have highlighted similar remarks by Joe Biden to attack the former vice president and make the explosive charge that Biden was an outspoken proponent of slashing the program.

[Baitball Blogger]

72. lapucelle on post 54 heard it and the host agreed with the statement.

If we keep making it an issue I am sure the subject will come up in a debate for clarification.

[ehrnst]

73. You're talking about this post #54?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=644119

On MSNBC, a BS surrogate noted a few random quotes from different decades, all taken out of context.

That's how it became "for thirty years" and how people "heard it on MSNBC".

[Baitball Blogger]

74. I assumed she heard it, because that's how it happened.

Sometimes an ice cream cone is just an ice cream cone. Nothing sexy about it.

[ehrnst]

75. So you don't agree with post #54?

Why did you reference it as some sort of support for your claim?

[Baitball Blogger]

76. I took her post at face value. Since that is the way it happened, I assumed she had seen

it too. Only after the fact did it occur to me that she was being flippant.

[ehrnst]

77. So, maybe you should consider that you heard what you wanted to hear

rather than what was said.

[Baitball Blogger]

79. Explain to me how you're not gaslighting me?

Really? That's your logic? I can't be a cool kid because I don't follow your interpretation of a cool kid?

I stand by what I saw and what I heard. Just because it doesn't meet your expectations, doesn't make it untrue.

[ehrnst]

81. ....

[Baitball Blogger]

14. Here's a reference from the Interceptor:

“When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well,” he told the Senate in 1995. “I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’ benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government. And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time.” (A freeze would have reduced the amount that would be paid out, cutting the program’s benefit.)

“The truth is the last election did one thing,” Biden continued. “I do not know whether it really made you guys a majority party for long. I do not know. We will find out. I know one thing it did. What it did was it made sure that there was nobody left on the left in my party who, in fact, said we do not care about moving the budget toward balance.”

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/

[Blue_true]

62. The Interceptor, that Russian backed muck-raking piece of shit journal.

Please seek out facts.

[Baitball Blogger]

69. Biden's political positions are easily researched.

I'm not sure why you're resisting what is easily found on several sites. He's been trying to freeze or cut Social Security since 1984. The point you should be pushing as a Biden supporter, if you want to be taken seriously, is that he has changed his position. But if you're going to pooh-pooh facts that can be easily researched, then I have to question whether you really want to discuss the issues, or are you gaslighting for him?

[lapucelle]

54. On MSNBC, a BS surrogate noted a few random quotes from different decades, all taken out of context.

That's how it became "for thirty years" and how people "heard it on MSNBC".

[Baitball Blogger]

70. I'll accept that. I even noticed that the host didn't disagree with him.

Do you remember who that was?

[pazzyanne]

15. Biden's current stance on Social Security: (posted elsewhere earier today)

1. He will put [Social Security] on a path to long-term solvency by asking Americans with especially high wages to pay the same taxes on those earnings that middle-class families pay.

2. He will allow [a] surviving spouse to keep a higher share of the [Social Security] benefits...raising the monthly payment by about 20% for affected beneficiaries.

3. He will provide the oldest beneficiaries...with a higher monthly check to help protect retirees from the pain of dwindling retirement saving

4. Under the Biden Plan, workers who spent 30 years working will get a benefit of at least 125% of the poverty level.

5. Biden is starkly opposed to privatization

6. He sides with his party on increasing the taxable earnings cap

7. He favors means testing for benefits

8. Biden has been willing to entertain raising the retirement age in the past

9. He's more of a centrist, and his views have changed considerably over time.

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019/05/31/joe-biden-on-social-security-6-things-you-should-k.aspx

[Baitball Blogger]

21. "He's more of a centrist, and his views have changed considerably over time."

Do you mean, he was a Centrist but his views have changed considerably over time, more to the Left? Or do you mean he started as Leftie and has become more Centrist?

I agree with the first seven points and suggest he yells it from the rafters.

[TwilightZone]

39. The context makes it clear.

The examples they provided in the article of Biden looking at situational options in the past like a temporary freeze don't reflect his current positions.

"According to NBC News, Biden's 2007 presidential campaign featured more of a centrist view on fixing Social Security"

"In 1995, then-Delaware Sen. Biden fought hard for serious federal deficit reductions and even pushed toward a balanced budget. Among the cuts Biden proposed was the idea of freezing Social Security's outlays -- i.e., no longer passing along cost-of-living adjustments."

Etc.

[MarcA]

42. #7 would be an absolute nightmare no matter who supports it.

Endless bureaucratic red tape, paperwork and hassles. It's not only your income, but your
resources that get "means tested". If you like our messed up income tax system, you'll love
"means tested" Social Security. It will become another welfare program that Rs will go after.

[Baitball Blogger]

46. I have no idea what it is. Thanks for the head's up.

[emmaverybo]

49. Thank you.

[ehrnst]

31. Perhaps you got that mistaken idea about Biden from ....

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — As a congressman in the 1990s, Bernie Sanders expressed an openness to making “adjustments” to the tax and benefit structure of Social Security. He also praised an overhaul of the social safety net program signed into law by President Ronald Reagan that reduced benefits and increased taxes on working families.

Sanders’ presidential campaign and allies have highlighted similar remarks by Joe Biden to attack the former vice president and make the explosive charge that Biden was an outspoken proponent of slashing the program.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. OF COURSE IT IS... WILL WAIT PATIENTLY FOR JOE'S RESPONSE.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[AncientGeezer]

82. What response...pointing out the lie......

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

[ehrnst]

86. Whadaya mean? Joe already dropped the mic!!!!

Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[PatSeg]

5. Another excellent ad from Biden

And now he has enough money to actually air it on TV.

[nevergiveup]

6. That is an excellent ad!!!!

[NYMinute]

18. Great ad!

Although unnecessary. People know Joe. He will never cut SS or Medicare. Seniors have known Joe and his politics and 95% of them won't fall for Bernie's lies.

[Thekaspervote]

30. And that's exactly what they are ...lies put out by the sanders campaign

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. Now that was good.

[LAS14]

25. Great! I hope they keep this ad agency! nt

[Just_Vote_Dem]

28. Great ad! Thank you for posting n/t

[LakeArenal]

33. Joe should say:

I believe in everything Donald trump hates. Anything he wants to do, I want the opposite.

No matter what clip anyone pulls from the past, my goal is to beat trump.

[LaurenOlimina]

38. And how does he negate the charge when Trump does it?

Again, "Hate Trump, vote for Joe" is not a positive statement about Joe.

[mchill]

51. Will Bloomberg have to spend money to fight Bernie off?

That’s what Bernie’s dismissal will require it seems. That’s sad.

[Duppers]

53. It is sad.

Can't believe some posters in this thread. DU's ignore feature is so sweet.

[True Blue American]

64. Biden 31%

Sanders 14%.

Big blanking change!

[blue-wave]

66. More hypocrisy from the Sanders side!!

Makes me think that Kellyanne Conway is an advisor to the Sanders campaign with her "alternative facts."

[ehrnst]

78. Good. (nt)

[Gothmog]

87. I am glad that Joe is running this ad in Florida

Link to tweet

[ucrdem]

88. Great ad.

Go Joe!

[BidenBacker]

92. Sanders is great in one respect

He will force Joe to develop a rapid response team to counter misleading or outright false accusations against him. Consider this the Spring Training for his newly forming War Room.

Of course, compared to what Trump and the Republicans are gonna do in the general election season Bernie is like facing a minor league AA team compared to the GOP major leagues when it comes to attacks.

[Gothmog]

93. Sanders' ads are false and misleading

I am glad that Joe is responding to there ads

[BidenBacker]

94. When the general election season starts

it will be fun to watch Biden who's now being accused of being a Republican sellout "centrist" suddenly become a left-wing radical "socialist".

Sure hope Joe's War Room boys can switch-hit.

[Gothmog]

95. Joe was great this week

Link to tweet

[iwannaknow]

97. Biden did support chained cpi method of COLA

This method was in effect a cut to social security. I remember when that got placed on the bargaining table. I was terrified.

[Hortensis]

98. It's a more accurate measure. I support

Moving to chained cpi — not insisting on continuing to do it wrong, and we’re on SS. But do it with Democratic majorities so we can readjust bennies as needed should the changeover hurt recipients.