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totodeinhere

(13,274 posts)
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:43 PM Mar 2020

Bill Press - Bernie Sanders Has Already Won

As I detailed in my memoir, “From the Left,” Sanders’s primary motive in entering the Democratic primary in 2016 was to champion progressive issues he knew Hillary Clinton would never raise on her own. And he’s succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. He’s changed the entire direction of the Democratic Party. His agenda is now the Democratic Party’s agenda.

With only slight variations on a theme, every single Democratic candidate in 2020, left or center, ran on the Sanders platform. Even Klobuchar. As David Leonhardt wrote in the New York Times: “She wants to raise taxes on the rich, break up monopolies, vastly expand Medicare, fight climate change, admit more refugees, allow undocumented immigrants to become citizens, ban assault weapons and require universal background checks.”

So, among Democrats, the battle over ideas has already been won. By Bernie Sanders. Now it’s a battle over electability. The only question facing Democratic primary voters today is the most important question of all: Which candidate, Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders, has the best chance of beating Donald Trump?


https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/486711-press-bernie-sanders-has-already-won
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Bill Press - Bernie Sanders Has Already Won (Original Post) totodeinhere Mar 2020 OP
Fine. Take a victory lap.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #1
can't type the snark fast enough eh? mikelgb Mar 2020 #18
Nope! Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #20
Much as the author of the editorial can't type his rationalizations fast enough. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #33
A lot of my fellow Biden supporters SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #35
like nobody in human history has had any of these ideas except....Him nt msongs Mar 2020 #2
Castro Todd79 Mar 2020 #9
Easily forgotten NYMinute Mar 2020 #23
I used to like Bill Press. LisaM Mar 2020 #3
"I used to like Bill Press. Unfortunately, I don't anymore." left-of-center2012 Mar 2020 #5
Agreed BlueWeirdo Mar 2020 #4
deleted pecosbob Mar 2020 #6
Yes DBoon Mar 2020 #34
free cake on Tuesdays evertonfc Mar 2020 #7
This is why I voted for Sanders in the primary in 2016 and for Warren in the primary in 2020. pecosbob Mar 2020 #8
The 2016 Democratic Party platform was the most progressive in history. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #14
until there are more of you...enough to win elections...the party can't move forward... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #24
That's simply not true. I love how everyone attributes policy opinions of candidates to.... George II Mar 2020 #10
None of those ideas are exclusive to Sanders. None of them started with Sanders. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #11
But he's the most original thinker/political philosopher EVER dalton99a Mar 2020 #16
Elizabeth Warren comes to mind. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #29
Exactly. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #32
Nice try. Mme. Defarge Mar 2020 #12
Some good ideas- divisive messenger redstateblues Mar 2020 #13
Everyone gets a prize.. showblue22 Mar 2020 #15
Youth Soccer... "If you had fun, you're a WINNER!" NurseJackie Mar 2020 #19
Yep. Ok, now I know it was you. showblue22 Mar 2020 #22
This is how I feel democrattotheend Mar 2020 #17
I have zero problem with his ideas. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #21
Because of course he has... ehrnst Mar 2020 #25
Whatever makes him feel better Renew Deal Mar 2020 #26
Yes, Sanders is having a great influence in moving the party in his agenda direction at140 Mar 2020 #27
I'm cool with that. Laelth Mar 2020 #28
The entire country is moving to the left with the exception of old white males. Enough of walkingman Mar 2020 #30
I appreciate that Bernie and team have brought/highlighted MLAA Mar 2020 #31
So according to some .... CatMor Mar 2020 #36
 

Happy Hoosier

(8,356 posts)
1. Fine. Take a victory lap....
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:45 PM
Mar 2020

Last edited Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Around the lake your vacation is on, Bernie.

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mikelgb

(6,021 posts)
18. can't type the snark fast enough eh?
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:10 PM
Mar 2020
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. Much as the author of the editorial can't type his rationalizations fast enough.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:35 AM
Mar 2020
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SCantiGOP

(14,206 posts)
35. A lot of my fellow Biden supporters
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:49 AM
Mar 2020

Don’t understand the phrase “gracious in victory,” and I just hope it doesn’t come back to haunt us all as Democrats.

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msongs

(70,137 posts)
2. like nobody in human history has had any of these ideas except....Him nt
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:45 PM
Mar 2020
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
23. Easily forgotten
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:49 PM
Mar 2020

Universal Health Care was Ted Kennedy's baby from the 70's and he nearly got Nixon to sign off on it.

College Tuition breaks were championed by Mondale and Gore

Climate Change was addressed by Obama (he actually called it a Green New Deal)

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LisaM

(28,564 posts)
3. I used to like Bill Press.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:46 PM
Mar 2020

Unfortunately, I don't anymore. I'm tired of being accused (by association at least) as not being progressive, and having the candidates I prefer be dismissed as not being progressive.

It's not true, and I'm tired of hearing it.

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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
5. "I used to like Bill Press. Unfortunately, I don't anymore."
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:49 PM
Mar 2020

Yeah. I used to listen to his radio show, but drifted away.

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BlueWeirdo

(9 posts)
4. Agreed
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:48 PM
Mar 2020

And this is very meaningful. Sanders has helped change the conversation.

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DBoon

(23,032 posts)
34. Yes
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:48 AM
Mar 2020

He moved the "center" just a bit left

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pecosbob

(7,904 posts)
8. This is why I voted for Sanders in the primary in 2016 and for Warren in the primary in 2020.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:53 PM
Mar 2020

To move the party platform to the left. If the party does not eventually move left with us it will be left behind.





I'm not Undecided...I voted for Warren.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
14. The 2016 Democratic Party platform was the most progressive in history.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:58 PM
Mar 2020

The platform is irrelevant. What can be done and what is done are what's important. Talk is meaningless if nothing is accomplished.

Democrats have been fighting for the issues Bill Press wants to grant exclusively to Sanders for literally decades. Many have made much more actual progress on them than Sanders has. He has yet to convince his colleagues to support his grandiose ideas even though he's had decades to do so. Actual progress outweighs lofty goals that are never achieved.

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Demsrule86

(70,995 posts)
24. until there are more of you...enough to win elections...the party can't move forward...
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:57 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
10. That's simply not true. I love how everyone attributes policy opinions of candidates to....
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:54 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders. It's as bad as Sanders taking credit for Amazon raising their minimum wage. They did that in SPITE of Sanders, were probably planning it anyway.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
11. None of those ideas are exclusive to Sanders. None of them started with Sanders.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:55 PM
Mar 2020

I don't know what it is about Sanders that causes otherwise intelligent people like Bill Press to completely ignore context, completely forget political history, and completely ignore that Democrats other than Bernie Sanders have been fighting for the same issues for literally decades. But it happens all the time.

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dalton99a

(84,133 posts)
16. But he's the most original thinker/political philosopher EVER
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:04 PM
Mar 2020

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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
29. Elizabeth Warren comes to mind. n/t
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:27 AM
Mar 2020

-Laelth

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
32. Exactly.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:33 AM
Mar 2020

She's been (unfairly, in my opinion) lumped together with him for years in part because they highlight many of the same issues.

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Mme. Defarge

(8,521 posts)
12. Nice try.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:55 PM
Mar 2020

Declare victory and withdraw the troops. That was tried in the early’70’s.

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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
13. Some good ideas- divisive messenger
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie just couldn't get above 30% and that will never win much. Fortunately Democrats closed ranks to avoid having a Socialist at the top of the ticket. We now have a decent chance to re-take the White House and the Senate.

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showblue22

(1,026 posts)
15. Everyone gets a prize..
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:59 PM
Mar 2020

Like someone here said in another thread about kids who play soccer. Lol

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. Youth Soccer... "If you had fun, you're a WINNER!"
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:13 PM
Mar 2020

Youth Soccer... "If you had fun, you're a WINNER!" No need to keep score! Everyone gets a trophy!

It's the Oprah generation!

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showblue22

(1,026 posts)
22. Yep. Ok, now I know it was you.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:44 PM
Mar 2020
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democrattotheend

(12,008 posts)
17. This is how I feel
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:08 PM
Mar 2020

This is why I supported him in 2016 and to this day I'm proud to have been a part of it. I think he changed the Democratic Party for the better. But he squandered some of that by being a bit of a sore loser in 2016. I hope he does not repeat that mistake this year and will bow out graciously if he doesn't win. Based on what he said on Rachel Maddow last week, I'm highly optimistic that he will.

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Turin_C3PO

(15,799 posts)
21. I have zero problem with his ideas.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:20 PM
Mar 2020

It’s his rigidity and lack of ability to build coalitions that excludes me from being a supporter. That and the fact that Biden will have much longer coattails up and down the ballot.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. Because of course he has...
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:22 AM
Mar 2020
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Renew Deal

(82,911 posts)
26. Whatever makes him feel better
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:24 AM
Mar 2020
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at140

(6,122 posts)
27. Yes, Sanders is having a great influence in moving the party in his agenda direction
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:25 AM
Mar 2020

so it can be said he has succeeded in some ways.

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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
28. I'm cool with that.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:26 AM
Mar 2020

So long as we understand that Joe Biden will be our nominee this year.



-Laelth

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walkingman

(8,306 posts)
30. The entire country is moving to the left with the exception of old white males. Enough of
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:28 AM
Mar 2020

this right-wing ignorance.

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MLAA

(18,579 posts)
31. I appreciate that Bernie and team have brought/highlighted
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:29 AM
Mar 2020

very progressive issues to the forefront. I believe he has made some of these issues more palatable to a broader audience than democrats, softening the ground.

Thank you to him, his team and followers.

Now let’s win the general election together!

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CatMor

(6,212 posts)
36. So according to some ....
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:49 AM
Mar 2020

even though Biden is getting the votes Sanders is the winner. Its kind of like 2016 when Hillary got the votes but trump was the winner. So when we vote for someone they lose. Can't get much more crazy than that.

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