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****Breaking WSJ-NBC NAT'L POLL**** Biden 52% Trump 43% Biden 61% Sanders 32% (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2020 OP
Heading in the right direction - more positive now than 2019 denem Mar 2020 #1
And the Sanders/Trump matchup was.... TheRickles Mar 2020 #2
How is Biden 52% trump 43% the same as sanders 49% trump 45%? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #4
Bernie math!!!!!! comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #8
Not Bernie math, but statistics TheRickles Mar 2020 #10
Wishful thinking...and that is before the GOP ammo hit Sanders. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #11
Wow!! Not that's some spin Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Traym Mar 2020 #16
Your point? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #17
sorry. I meant to reply to the Pro-Sanders guy Traym Mar 2020 #18
Takes a while to get your feet here! I am tooo embarrassed to even to begin to cite my misteps ... marble falls Mar 2020 #20
That's not how it works. cos dem Mar 2020 #26
Are You Kidding me? Biden's Lead Over Trump is Outside the Margin of Error But Bernie's Is Not Indykatie Mar 2020 #28
With Bernie math, Bernie is actually in the lead! He has the "American people" behind him, as he Doodley Mar 2020 #29
Is 61%-32% within the margin of error? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2020 #9
Yes TheRickles Mar 2020 #13
No! You're using the 3.27% MOE only with sanders number. MOE works both ways Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #15
Really tho????? Kahuna7 Mar 2020 #12
Nate Silver doesn't like your "statistical tie" gimmick Traym Mar 2020 #19
Excellent DarthDem Mar 2020 #3
Good news on both accounts! honest.abe Mar 2020 #5
once Biden is THE nominee, won;t be surprise to see his numbers hit 57-59% support beachbumbob Mar 2020 #6
This is why Trump pushed Ukraine to make up stuff about Biden. :) nt Sloumeau Mar 2020 #7
Looks Like a Horserace to Me Stallion Mar 2020 #21
It's news Trump and Sanders won't accept. n/t Julian English Mar 2020 #22
K&R Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #23
Biden lead will grow SiliconValley_Dem Mar 2020 #24
****WHAT ABOUT SWING STATE POLLS !!?!!??!?***** National polls don't mean much uponit7771 Mar 2020 #25
The national poll doesn't matter folks. We need this margin... SKKY Mar 2020 #27
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
1. Heading in the right direction - more positive now than 2019
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:30 AM
Mar 2020

Headed in the right direction now 37%, 8/19 33%
Off on the wrong track now 56%, 8/19 60%
=Junk Poll

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRickles

(2,382 posts)
2. And the Sanders/Trump matchup was....
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:32 AM
Mar 2020

Sanders 49%, Trump 45% - same as Biden, within the margin of error.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(34,547 posts)
4. How is Biden 52% trump 43% the same as sanders 49% trump 45%?
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:36 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRickles

(2,382 posts)
10. Not Bernie math, but statistics
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:07 AM
Mar 2020

Since a relatively small number of people were polled here, the margin of error is fairly high - 3.27%, according to the link. In other words, any scores that are not more than 3% apart cannot be considered to be significantly different - they might be due to random fluctuations within a small sample size. Same as flipping a coin - two heads in a row isn't significant, but ten in a row would be.

Bernie got 49% vs Trump while Biden got 52% vs Trump - that's only a 3% differential between their scores, and is not a statistically significant difference. If they had interviewed 10,000 people and gotten those same results, then it'd be something to headline. But these results are only suggestive, not conclusive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(70,983 posts)
11. Wishful thinking...and that is before the GOP ammo hit Sanders.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:09 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(34,547 posts)
14. Wow!! Not that's some spin
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:11 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to TheRickles (Reply #10)

 

Traym

(15 posts)
18. sorry. I meant to reply to the Pro-Sanders guy
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:52 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marble falls

(62,018 posts)
20. Takes a while to get your feet here! I am tooo embarrassed to even to begin to cite my misteps ...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 11:46 AM
Mar 2020

including the yuge one I did here this morning!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cos dem

(913 posts)
26. That's not how it works.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 08:31 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indykatie

(3,853 posts)
28. Are You Kidding me? Biden's Lead Over Trump is Outside the Margin of Error But Bernie's Is Not
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 08:44 PM
Mar 2020

But instead you use the poll result compare Bernie and Joe's results against each other and use the polls MOE to say they have basically the same results in the poll. The poll measures how they match up against Trump not each other.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doodley

(10,270 posts)
29. With Bernie math, Bernie is actually in the lead! He has the "American people" behind him, as he
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:20 PM
Mar 2020

likes to say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,138 posts)
9. Is 61%-32% within the margin of error?
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:05 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRickles

(2,382 posts)
13. Yes
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:10 AM
Mar 2020

Biden beats Bernie by a large and statistically very significant margin in this head-to-head. And that's why he'll almost certainly win the nomination. But the point I was trying to make is that this one limited data point shows that both Dems have similarly good shots at beating Trump in head-to-head. That's all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(34,547 posts)
15. No! You're using the 3.27% MOE only with sanders number. MOE works both ways
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:23 AM
Mar 2020

That MOE could also swing towards trump. If you add the MOE to trump against Biden he is well outside the MOE

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Traym

(15 posts)
19. Nate Silver doesn't like your "statistical tie" gimmick
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 10:56 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DarthDem

(5,359 posts)
3. Excellent
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:35 AM
Mar 2020

I'd like to see more of this.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
6. once Biden is THE nominee, won;t be surprise to see his numbers hit 57-59% support
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:41 AM
Mar 2020

and trump 37-39%, GOP will be shitting downballot bricks

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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
7. This is why Trump pushed Ukraine to make up stuff about Biden. :) nt
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 09:48 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Stallion

(6,609 posts)
21. Looks Like a Horserace to Me
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 11:48 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Julian English

(434 posts)
22. It's news Trump and Sanders won't accept. n/t
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 11:50 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(91,665 posts)
25. ****WHAT ABOUT SWING STATE POLLS !!?!!??!?***** National polls don't mean much
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 08:28 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SKKY

(12,223 posts)
27. The national poll doesn't matter folks. We need this margin...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 08:33 PM
Mar 2020

...in the swing states. Show me MI, MN, WI, PA, OH, and FL.

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