Senator Sanders could stand to take a lesson from Senator Warren on the Coronavirus bill vote

[ehrnst]

Warren didn't sit it out and avoid taking action on the first vote, despite the fact that it wasn't everything that she wanted it to be, because we need action and leadership from Democrats NOW. She didn't just roll over and vote yes or go AWOL on the vote for the first version, and she didn't make perfect the enemy of doable.

She showed up and did her damn job during an emergency, and then explained why she voted for the package that was not all that Democrats wanted and what she's doing moving forward.

This is what Presidential looks like:



She also didn't take credit for single-handedly "influencing GOP senators" or work on the bill that she didn't actually do....

[NCProgressive]

1. KnR

[Dem4Life1102]

2. Sanders voted in favor of the bill.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Did he finally show up in D.C. to vote?

[Dem4Life1102]

5. Yes

He was there last night.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. So then he hasn't got the virus, which is a good thing, but

what other reasonable excuse could he have had for not showing up until now?

[Demsrule86]

29. Well at least he did that.

[ehrnst]

4. This is the vote I'm talking about:

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=2&vote=00077

[Dem4Life1102]

6. OK

But he was there last night.

[ehrnst]

8. He was not present the first vote, when the difficult work of negotiations was being done.

He came in after all that.

Warren rolled her sleeves up and got to work while Bernie was out of pocket.

That is the point of the OP.

[The Magistrate]

7. And Makes The Ludicrous Claim, Sir

That he single-handedly saw off an attempt by several Republican Senators to alter the bill to limit assistance to unemployed people. This is nonesense, and such a claim is a deliberate lie. Worse, it is a lie which only the naive and ignorant can be expected to swallow. This is the measure of what 'Bernie' thinks of his supporters, and of the public at large. There is no behavior more despicable in an intelligent man than an attempt to mislead to his own profit the ignorant and naive and the foolish.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Dem4Life1102]

9. I was only commenting that he was there last night

[ehrnst]

10. Yes, only last night.

And took credit for that which was not his work.

[The Magistrate]

13. And I, Sir, Am Commenting On His Characterization Of His Limited Presence

That characterization is a shabby lie, which depends on the ignorance and naivete of his intended audience for its self-aggrandizing effect.

[Blue_true]

41. Why don't you comment on his campaign taking credit for

negotiations that he had no part of? That is a central issue that needs to be addressed by Sanders supporters.

[Dem4Life1102]

45. I was merely passing on information

without editorializing.

[Blue_true]

46. You appear to be pushing an agenda, IMO.

Several people have challenged you to speak on the ethics of the Sanders campaign taking credit for work that he didn't do, you quickly took a pass every single time.

Again, speak on the Sanders campaign's lie about his role in getting maximized employment benefits for workers.

[Dem4Life1102]

50. I never claimed anything about his role.

Just noted that he was there and voted.

[Blue_true]

51. Surely you must have an opinion on a person taking credit for something that he had

nothing to do with. You have repeatedly been given a chance to speak on the morality of that, you have passed every time - that speaks volumes to anyone that notices your decision, and it clearly is a thought-out decision, IMO, it simply can't be anything else.

[Dem4Life1102]

57. My opinion

is mine to share or not.

[ehrnst]

11. +1000

[Demsrule86]

15. Yeah after threatening to derail it...now it goes to the House.

I hear AOC won't sign on and that is why it might not be unanimous and might take longer than it should. This is embarrassing for the house not to be unanimous. Not a good look for AOC. Hell, I will send money to her primary challenger if she does this. This is an national emergency and it will be interesting to see if she can put national interest above ideology. The Democrat AOC took down would have worked hard to make the bill good for working people and then voted for the compromise. Time will tell. She is facing a primary challenge and should consider that before voting for or against the rescue bill.

[ehrnst]

17. Right now NY especially needs a stimulus package.

[Demsrule86]

19. Ohio has the big three down...and all small business is shut down for the most part...everyone will

need a stimulus package.

[Demsrule86]

20. I should add as my post was not clear...that I agree NY needs stimulus as soon as the

virus is vanquished to get them back on their feet...and in the meantime...dirty donnie needs to get medical supplies to New York hospitals...I saw on TV medical workers yelling out of the windows of their cars..."we need medical supplies'. What the hell is going on with the Feds and idiot Trump.

[Turin_C3PO]

23. I'd be surprised

if AOC doesn’t end up signing this. I could be wrong, and often am, but she’s usually complains a little and then gets on board. We’ll see, though.

[Demsrule86]

28. I don't know if she signs it or not...she should for political reasons if for no other reason.

However, she makes it impossible for it to be unanimous if she plans to object. The House should vote unanimously on the rescue bill...it is embarrassing for any Democrat to cause a delay of an entire day because some of our members (don't know if there are others) won't sign on to a bill to help millions who are hurting because of the virus. The Senate voted unanimously.

[True Blue American]

37. She s Insisting the House come back

And vote or she will hold the bill up.Pelosi is suggesting a voice vote so all members will not have to come back. Who is right here? She is in the Bernie Ad.

[Demsrule86]

48. Nancy is right because with Corona, it risks lives...she is a selfish person and cares for no one

but herself if she does this. I am doubling my money to the best primary candidate...hell, I know that area, I will make calls!

[Blue_true]

42. The best of her primary challengers is Jose Velazquez.

The others are well to the right of her. Velazquez is a proven progressive.

But, I must admit that if it looks like Velazquez and AOC will split the progressive vote so badly that one of the three more right people slip through to win, then people need to swallow hard and support AOC so that she wins the primary. Afterward, we can see whether she changes and becomes more realistic, if she doesn't, a more organized democratic primary effort can be waged against her in a couple years, hopefully fielding only proven progressive democrats.

[TomCADem]

22. This Is The Senate. Not Survey Monkey

No wonder BS has been so ineffective as a Senator. He thinks alll he needs to do is grandstand from afar, then occasionally show up to vote. This is why he has only managed to pass 2 or 3 bills that he introduced even though he has been in Congress since 1991 and renaming post offices really should not count.

[William769]

12. Kick & highly recommended.

[FM123]

14. Elizabeth, she who persists...

"I won't block vital aid but tomorrow we get back up and continue the fight."

[Demsrule86]

16. And that is why EW is a success. she fights hard for the best deal...signs on to said deal and then

gets up the next morning and resumes the fight for working folks...this is why she was my second choice in the primary. I like both her and Biden...it was a matter of the Blue Wall states for me. I thought Biden has a better chance to win those states...and also the AA vote...but damn she is great in so many ways.

[Turin_C3PO]

24. Same here.

I love Warren and my positions align with her but I’ve always supported Biden because he’s the one that can trounce Trump. Plus, he’s a nice and compassionate man.

[Demsrule86]

30. Yes Biden is a decent caring man...I really do kind of love him as I did pres. Obama.

It is rare for me to 'love' politicians...I like many but I just don't have' fandom' in my nature. This is why I have no understand of what some call' Bernie bros'. If Biden didn't win the primary, I would throw my support behind whoever the nominee was.

[Demsrule86]

21. Consider that had Sander succeeded in derailing the vote, Wall Street would have

collapsed. One has to wonder with his hatred of Wall Street if he thinks this would have been a good thing. That is the problem with Sanders and the revolution. Revolutionaries tear it down and then attempt to rebuild it...and mostly don't succeed in the rebuilding part.

[mcar]

25. She should be getting more credit than she is

And here's Bernie, taking credit for just showing up for one vote.

[PubliusEnigma]

26. Bernie doesn't do jobs. He just shouts about the most ideal outcome and accomplishes nothing.

[The Magistrate]

27. That Is It In A Nutshell, Sir!

"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Thekaspervote]

31. Go Senator Warren.. leave it to a woman to get things done

[Happy Hoosier]

32. Bernie could take a LOT of lessons from the noble Sen. Warren. NT

[LudwigPastorius]

33. Can't decide...

If she's not the next Vice President, should she be the Secretary of Commerce or Labor?

[True Blue American]

39. Labor!

[Blue_true]

43. Treasury. nt

[True Blue American]

49. That would be fine

Who for AG?

[Blue_true]

52. For AG, the former US Attorney for the Southern a District of New York, or Sally Yates. nt

[True Blue American]

53. Perfect

Now, where do we put Cuomo?

[Blue_true]

55. Unless something drastic happens, he likely gets frozen out and will

stay Governor of New York.

[True Blue American]

56. They do need him right now.

You hear all those names Trump read off that did not have diddly squat to do with what is happening in the world.? CNN cut them off, MSNBC still has Pence on.

Trump invited everyone to come see the Medical ship that os coming in. He is going to welcome the ship. Any reason to get that plane flying again.

[Hekate]

34. "Tomorrow we get back up and continue the fight"

Elizabeth Warren is wonderful.

[Hav]

35. Some chose to not to show up

to work on the bill or negotiate with the other Senators. Others worked hard to limit the R's influence and to achieve the best possible result given all the circumstances.
The last few days couldn't have shown better how right Warren was with her 2 words summary about BS: Massive...

[totodeinhere]

36. Please stop the Bernie Sanders bashing.

We are in the midst of an emergency not seen by most of us in our lifetimes. The time is now to come together and stop the bashing. And my message applies equally to any Bernie supporter. We all need to stop it.

[ehrnst]

44. This is not bashing. (nt)

[mcar]

58. Not bashing. Criticizing. Nt

[paleotn]

38. It's not everything....

But McTurtle and Munchkin caved far, far more than expected. Funny thing is, a lot of Donnie's business interests are in the most affected category, yet he explicitly gets no money. Ha!

[True Blue American]

40. Pelosi, Schumer

And Manchin stood up to MItch and his greed. Manchin was chosen to inform him.

I wondered why, after 2 rages Mitch went after Joe. Now we know.

[LizBeth]

47. Sanders more and more appears to be what we have now. His ego is amazing.

[betsuni]

54. K&R

[Cha]

59. Thank you, Senator Warren and,

ehrnst!