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MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains why if the government goes into shutdown again, it could be best described as the Musk-Trump shutdown. - Aired on 12/18/2024.

Deuxcents
(20,962 posts)It’s gonna be a long and painful 4 years but Biden tried to hold this off by his strategy so..do we let em have their way or do we straighten our backbones and let em own it.
Rhiannon12866
(228,279 posts)MAGA Mike is in trouble - and we'll be faced with another Republican Speaker mess.
kelly1mm
(5,617 posts)to avoid the 'unconstitutional' debt limit.
Deuxcents
(20,962 posts)Let em own it and see what the people will do about it..we’ve bailed em out too many times to not be appreciated
Rhiannon12866
(228,279 posts)Meanwhile, private citizens are calling the shots in Congress.
Justice matters.
(7,908 posts)He used a false visa to immigrate to the US of A.
Rhiannon12866
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Rhiannon12866
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Irish_Dem
(64,085 posts)And he obtained his visa illegally.
Did not admit to his drug addiction?
Rhiannon12866
(228,279 posts)And he doesn't mean a word of his oath to the Constitution, he has zero idea of what it actually says (like that he's prohibited to run for public office).
Irish_Dem
(64,085 posts)Musk doesn't.
When my Irish grandparents became US citizens, they had to sign a loyalty oath to the US and the Constitution.
If they violated it they were told they would be deported. They took it seriously and were very loyal to the US.
All their sons served in the US military.
Rhiannon12866
(228,279 posts)My great-grandfather came as a young man and my great-grandmother came earlier with her family as a little girl. And their two eldest sons also served, they signed up together for WWI. My grandfather (the eldest) brought ammunition to the front on horseback. I have his discharge papers. And my great uncle served at the front. A few years ago I went to a ceremony where he was awarded the Silver Star. Four of his five children were there and his eldest daughter read letters he'd sent to his sister about the battle for which he won that award. Two Congressional districts brought his family flags which had flown over the Capitol - they were excited about the award since they'd never honored a WWI vet before. And I whispered to his daughter, do they know that we're all Democrats?
Irish_Dem
(64,085 posts)That is such a special ceremony.
Yes some of the immigrants to this country defend it and try to live up to the promise of America.
Rhiannon12866
(228,279 posts)They made him a citizen and sent him to France to serve for his new country - also WWI. I'm sorry that I never met either grandfather, I've heard such nice things about both of them - but they both died young, in the 1940s.
Irish_Dem
(64,085 posts)One of my grandparents was also sent to France in WWI.