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In reply to the discussion: Could we please begin our examination of why "all the polls were wrong" by vowing [View all]Nederland
(9,976 posts)54. Nate Silver says the problem lies in getting a random sample, good luck arguing with him
There was plenty of apprehension at the annual conference of the American Association for Public Opinion Research, which I attended last month, about the state of the polling industry.
The problem is simple but daunting. The foundation of opinion research has historically been the ability to draw a random sample of the population. Thats become much harder to do, at least in the United States. Response rates to telephone surveys have been declining for years and are often in the single digits, even for the highest-quality polls. The relatively few people who respond to polls may not be representative of the majority who dont. Last week, the Federal Communications Commission proposed new guidelines that could make telephone polling even harder by enabling phone companies to block calls placed by automated dialers, a tool used in almost all surveys.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/polling-is-getting-harder-but-its-a-vital-check-on-power/
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Could we please begin our examination of why "all the polls were wrong" by vowing [View all]
Atticus
Nov 2020
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And I start by saying we can't refuse to investigate and then fold our arms and scratch our
Atticus
Nov 2020
#23
The polls told us Collins, Ernst, Graham, Tillis were in trouble. They weren't.
Beakybird
Nov 2020
#3
If the polls were more accurate, I would have donated to Gideon and Cunningham
Beakybird
Nov 2020
#36
Americans aren't more dishonest than S Koreans, our polling is horrid compared to theirs
uponit7771
Nov 2020
#15
I think people are afraid to confront the topic because they don't want to discourage voting
ecstatic
Nov 2020
#10
We need to eliminate any voting machine that doesn't scan a human marked ballot
YessirAtsaFact
Nov 2020
#12
They polls weren't that far off....but they still have a lot to figure out on them.
cbdo2007
Nov 2020
#13
+100000 I hope We The People decide to make some Good Trouble over this issue.
Tommymac
Nov 2020
#39
I'm baffled why people don't understand polls are not subject to suppression/tampering.
Pobeka
Nov 2020
#21
I just read your post to my wife and commented "This poster is obviously a statistician
Atticus
Nov 2020
#27
That is built into the confidence interval. That's WHY there is a confidence interval. n/t
Pobeka
Nov 2020
#32
It is not "built into" the confidence interval, it is an assumption of the confidence interval
Nederland
Nov 2020
#45
If you are going to argue that pollsters don't know how to take a random sample, good luck with that
Pobeka
Nov 2020
#46
Nate Silver says the problem lies in getting a random sample, good luck arguing with him
Nederland
Nov 2020
#54
It was not just "the" poll---it was ALL the polls. I can't believe they all chose unrepresentative
Atticus
Nov 2020
#33
Your response discusses "a" poll. My post discussed "all" polls. Big difference. nt
Atticus
Nov 2020
#49
We disagree. You make assumptions I consider unsupported and unsupportable. You can
Atticus
Nov 2020
#51
No, let's get through this. It seems to me after examining the polls there was a change very
Demsrule86
Nov 2020
#44