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sarisataka

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38. There are a lot of brave people

Thu Apr 7, 2022, 09:04 AM

Apr 2022

Who want to see other people go to war to stop crimes against civilians in Ukraine.

It reminds me of the Second Congo War (3,000,000 dead), Syria (500,000), Darfur (300,000), Tigray (still counting and documenting systematic rapes of women and girls). All of these had untold war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The only difference is entry into those conflicts was either opposed or not discussed.

Why is it some are willing to run into a fight against the largest nuclear power when we didn't want to interfere in these much more manageable wars?

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Should NATO immediately become directly involved in the Ukraine war? [View all] ColinC Apr 2022 OP

Rhetorical question, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #1

We are involved and have been since before it started. Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #2

Thank you, Sherman Al! True Blue American Apr 2022 #4

Spot on! CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #10

Exactly. We are sending weapons and supplies; Ukraine has enough troops. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #20

Directly is fighting Russia with our own jets and soldiers ColinC Apr 2022 #66

"We are not directly involved or we would be at war with Russia." Mariana Apr 2022 #82

Kinda afraid to do that in case it would have substantially different results. ColinC Apr 2022 #111

If a clearly worded question have would have substantially different results Mariana Apr 2022 #112

No internet poll is worth much imho ColinC Apr 2022 #114

Depends on what you mean by involved! True Blue American Apr 2022 #3

See post #66 by the OP to see what "directly involved" means. Mariana Apr 2022 #84

France and Germany and US will veto that kind of talk immediately, so no, not gonna happen Shanti Shanti Shanti Apr 2022 #5

They already are! Emile Apr 2022 #6

NATO is allowing the rape and torture of children. marie999 Apr 2022 #7

They are allowing it? CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #11

Well, there are those pesky fact things Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #12

Even if it did stop with just Ukraine, Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #108

Now or later HAB911 Apr 2022 #8

NATO should begin an extended bombing campaign Tomconroy Apr 2022 #9

You are welcome to head on over to Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #13

You need a new line. You've overused that one. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #14

Perhaps, when should I tell them you will be there to volunteer Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #16

Nope. A slight variation doesn't cut it. Just another repetitive post. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #19

As are yours Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #21

And yours aren't? nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #49

Please see reply 30. Aspire to do as well. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #61

The thing you seem to forget is that in 1962, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #63

I give your reply a C minus. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #65

And yours gets an F. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #67

So, because some of us want to stop the rape and torture of women and children, marie999 Apr 2022 #15

A very bad limited war as bad as it seems to be Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #17

And if Russia then attacks Estonia, what will NATO do. marie999 Apr 2022 #24

Perhaps you have not heard of Article Five of the NATO Charter. Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #27

I have heard of Article 5 and that does not bother Putin because he sees NATO as cowards. marie999 Apr 2022 #31

I have a good handle on the world's militaries Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #40

I never said he wants to take on NATO, marie999 Apr 2022 #88

If they are NATO Members (and they are) Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #96

All you do is call people out saying they should go volunteer over there Calculating Apr 2022 #91

I am suggesting that the armchair generals might want to go find out for themselves Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #94

I have put people on ignore, but not for disagreeing with me. marie999 Apr 2022 #101

Yes, they need the hardware to destroy Russian equipment. yagotme Apr 2022 #103

You are no Jack Kennedy. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #30

You are making it sound like everyone but Putin is responsible. Emile Apr 2022 #18

Well, there is that, but the poster seems to be on a roll there Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #22

That's one hell of a spin! Emile Apr 2022 #23

As I said they are on a roll there Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #25

Putin is responsible for starting the war. NATO is responsible for not ending it. marie999 Apr 2022 #26

Only Putin is responsible, for starting and or ending it! Emile Apr 2022 #28

So, Germany was responsible for ending the war in Europe. marie999 Apr 2022 #34

You are talking about a war before nukes! Emile Apr 2022 #36

What if Russia attacks one of the Baltic countries? marie999 Apr 2022 #37

What if, is that your argument now? Emile Apr 2022 #39

I'm just asking you seem afraid of NATO helping Ukraine because it could start a nuclear war. marie999 Apr 2022 #42

I already told you NATO is helping Ukraine, did that fly over your head? Emile Apr 2022 #48

NATO is not doing enough and will not do enough to save Ukraine. marie999 Apr 2022 #50

Well stop complaining and get your ass over there! Emile Apr 2022 #52

Really? Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #29

You should take a course in reading comprehension. marie999 Apr 2022 #35

A course in history and foreign affairs Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #41

I have kept up with history and foreign affairs marie999 Apr 2022 #46

You just destroyed someone on the internet. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #56

How's that? Just because someone speaks Russian doesn't Emile Apr 2022 #58

Laughable. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #59

Then you should know what the potential consequences are Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #73

Sounds like Ukraine could really use your expertise and experience. nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #86

Sorry, but I never put stock in people who make a beeline for the most hysterical language available Bucky Apr 2022 #79

We have no idea who the good guys are in the middle east Calculating Apr 2022 #92

Huh? malaise Apr 2022 #32

The OP has explained elsewhere in the thread Mariana Apr 2022 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Apr 2022 #33

There are a lot of brave people sarisataka Apr 2022 #38

This war has White people dying. marie999 Apr 2022 #43

I commend your honesty sarisataka Apr 2022 #45

Bam, there is your reason! Emile Apr 2022 #51

Skin color of the victims would be one guess. wanda4rafi Apr 2022 #47

Rwanda was pre-DU sarisataka Apr 2022 #55

I'm simply citing the atrocities that occurred there and the difference in the wanda4rafi Apr 2022 #64

We actually know who the good guys are in this one Calculating Apr 2022 #93

We could use the benchmark of sarisataka Apr 2022 #97

Is the internet viewing growing too dull for some people? Sympthsical Apr 2022 #44

As another war in Europe begins ripcord Apr 2022 #53

What's your recommendations on how to fight a nuclear armed country? Emile Apr 2022 #54

The same way we will when Putin attacks a NATO country ripcord Apr 2022 #62

I'm an old man, the end of my life is not to far off! I would like think my granddaughters Emile Apr 2022 #69

These is no guarantee Putin will use nukes ripcord Apr 2022 #70

I don't like it anymore than you! One thing I do know is, Putin Emile Apr 2022 #72

He's obviously bluffing Calculating Apr 2022 #95

Are we now in favor of the US being the world's police force? sarisataka Apr 2022 #57

It would seem so to a few here. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #60

No we are one of the countries who doesn't have the moral strength to stand up for what is right nt ripcord Apr 2022 #71

I can think of four major conflicts sarisataka Apr 2022 #74

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If this were happening here would you want someone to save your grandaughters? nt ripcord Apr 2022 #80

The afghan people didn't even fight for themselves Calculating Apr 2022 #98

There's not a war in Europe now? tia uponit7771 Apr 2022 #104

Involved How? NATO is already involved. MineralMan Apr 2022 #68

Directly involved means fighting Russia. ColinC Apr 2022 #76

Well, then, I say NO. I don't think that's going to happen. MineralMan Apr 2022 #77

Fair enough ColinC Apr 2022 #78

Putin certainly has a plan for Estonia & probably Latvia Bucky Apr 2022 #83

+1, it should've said "more" involved via different weapons systems that NATO hasn't sent yet ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #105

It's easy to be brave when there is little to no risk for the individual Kaleva Apr 2022 #81

I am still in the military ColinC Apr 2022 #87

I wonder how many who voted "Yes" would be the 1st to go? Kaleva Apr 2022 #89

I think to have a moral opinion is different from whether one is willing or able to be directly ColinC Apr 2022 #100

I trust the people who say "yes" will be the first in line at the enlistment office? brooklynite Apr 2022 #85

I think instead of boots on the ground, jets in the sky we should start with boats in the water yaesu Apr 2022 #90

+1, even better than jets cruise missiles would do the job of bombing Russia's AFBs and supply ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #106

So are you going to suit up and take your own nuclear sub to the Black Sea? Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #109

Exactly!! ColinC Apr 2022 #110

No! Polybius Apr 2022 #99

Russia's stated goal is the genocide of Ukrainians. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #107

Go to open, total war? No. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2022 #113