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64. the Kagan family are/were a nest of neocon war hawks

Tue Apr 30, 2024, 08:12 AM

Apr 2024

Robert Kagan neocon
Donald Kagan (father of Robert and Fred) neocon
Frederick Kagan (brother of Robert) neocon
Kimberly Kagan (wife of Fred) neocon

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Victoria 'Fuck the EU' Nuland (wife of Robert) not really an overt neocon IMHO

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This is quite a long article, but I hope you all will read it. [View all] CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2024 OP

Thank you for posting this.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #1

That's a great idea! He is very thorough. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2024 #5

This part in particular jumped right out and grabbed my attention. Ligyron Apr 2024 #49

There is a new documentary out called "Bad Faith" that traces some of the root causes of this mess BlueWaveNeverEnd Apr 2024 #2

Yeah, I think one thing is missing Farmer-Rick Apr 2024 #46

Robert Kagan is an American neoconservative scholar. He is a critic of U.S. foreign policy and a leading advocate of Celerity Apr 2024 #62

I had no idea the writer was a Neocon Farmer-Rick Apr 2024 #63

the Kagan family are/were a nest of neocon war hawks Celerity Apr 2024 #64

Thanks for the info. Farmer-Rick Apr 2024 #65

I have only read the part you posted so far senseandsensibility Apr 2024 #3

I have long had a nagging fear..... lastlib Apr 2024 #21

Exactly senseandsensibility Apr 2024 #23

+1. we have been spoon fed a steady diet of demonizing and distrust stopdiggin Apr 2024 #52

Yes , I'm afraid that this is another thing that our side senseandsensibility Apr 2024 #59

A worthwhile read, even if it mostly confirmed my worst fears. nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2024 #4

Good read malaise Apr 2024 #6

Well worth the read. American social history cachukis Apr 2024 #7

Thanks! It is the ignorant and lazy led by the Pied Piper Elites StClone Apr 2024 #8

Alas, only the first paragraph is visible at the link. n/t TygrBright Apr 2024 #9

You sure? I just read it, no problem. n/t malthaussen Apr 2024 #11

I'm so sorry, my dear TygrBright! All of it shows up when I click it. It's a gift link and it all should be there.nt CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2024 #12

When I tried the OP link, I got a pop up wnylib Apr 2024 #18

It seems like it's blocked, but it's not. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2024 #36

No, there was no way to close it. But I was able to read the article via wnylib Apr 2024 #40

Yes, I that cache link works. I trick! But you really Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2024 #41

I expected that there would be an x, searched for one, but, none was visible on my phone screen. wnylib Apr 2024 #42

That's super perplexing. It *is* very small. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2024 #43

Oh, I did just notice what might be the problem! Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2024 #44

hey, try this link orleans Apr 2024 #16

That works! Thank you so much, orleans. n/t TygrBright Apr 2024 #17

you're welcome & in the future orleans Apr 2024 #20

Cool! Thanks for that! Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2024 #37

Works! Thank you Amaryllis Apr 2024 #51

I couldn't get it either. n/t lastlib Apr 2024 #22

Orleans has a link the post right above yours that should work. Give it a try! His post #20. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2024 #25

But you can click through. They are asking Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2024 #35

I had this problem too: only the 1st para, no popup or gift notice scipan Apr 2024 #61

It's a good summary. malthaussen Apr 2024 #10

I hope you're right, my dear malthaussen! nt CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2024 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2024 #38

But it only takes a small number of his Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2024 #39

"Well-trained," forsooth? malthaussen Apr 2024 #54

Thank you bdamomma Apr 2024 #13

Bookmarking to read later! LeftInTX Apr 2024 #15

I'm working through the whole article and am amazed that so many Democrats signed the Southern Manifesto erronis Apr 2024 #19

I think, JFK kind of "put them" to sleep, and LBJ followed to "open their minds" Justice matters. Apr 2024 #56

Excellent essay, Peggy. Thank you for posting. peggysue2 Apr 2024 #24

removed by author Stuart G Apr 2024 #26

So many thoughts. mtngirl47 Apr 2024 #27

KNR and bookmarking. Thank you for sharing. niyad Apr 2024 #28

Brilliant piece. I NEVER EVER post anything political onmy FB wall. HUAJIAO Apr 2024 #29

Thank you for posting it on Facebook, and for making me smile, my dear HUAJIAO! ♥ nt CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2024 #30

Thank you Peggy. That might be the best description I've read nolabear Apr 2024 #31

I believe that things will get better, my dear nolabear, but first we must decisively win this election! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2024 #32

Thanks for this informative piece by Robert Kagan, one of the best Bundbuster Apr 2024 #33

Good night, my dear Bundbuster! See you tomorrow . . . CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2024 #34

Thank you plcdude Apr 2024 #45

Thanks CaliforniaPeggy justaprogressive Apr 2024 #47

Thanks for posting this MustLoveBeagles Apr 2024 #48

Kicking this article bdamomma Apr 2024 #50

Kagan's article is the best summary of what we're up against Bundbuster Apr 2024 #53

Superb article! Wild blueberry Apr 2024 #55

Thank you for posting this. CBHagman Apr 2024 #57

thanks for posting this, peg.... Gato Moteado Apr 2024 #58

Federalist No. 10 SARose Apr 2024 #60