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Beastly Boy

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10. A very short and incomplete summary:
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 02:09 AM
Jun 2024

Jews weren't hated when they fought back.

The hatred started when Roman emperors institutionalized Christianiy and began promoting the dogma of Jews, not the Roman authorities, being Christ killers. This marks the beginning of institutional antisemitism in the Roman world, from Spain to Asia Minor. By this time, Jews as a nation were not permitted to live in Judea, and were instead forced into slavery or diaspora, deprived of basic rights like property ownership and self-defense. They became easy and convenient targets, kind of similar to the old single women being accused of witchcraft later on.

With the rise of the Islamic Empire in the 7th and 8th centuries, Jewish diaspora in the conquered territories gained a special status under the Islamic law called "dhimmi". This status is written into law, and thus still exists as a legal benchmark in treatment of Jews in countries that adhere to Shariah law. By today's standards, this was a repressive regime of added taxation, legalized subservience to Muslims in all aspects of life, but it allowed Jews to practice their religion privately. By the standards of medieval Europe, however, it was considered rather tolerant and progressive.

In Europe, meantime, forced conversions of Jews to Christianity under the penalty of death became commonplace. Those who resisted but couldn't escape the persecutions were exterminated. In the more tolerant corners of Europe, Jews were forbidden to bear arms or defend themselves in any way, practice any trade or work the land. By default, Jews were pushed into money lending, retail sales and managing properties for rich landowners, forced into what we now call ghettos, wear insignia identifying them as Jews, and were only occasionally used as scapegoats to be accused of causing pestilence, or drought, or practicing witchcraft, or drinking blood of Christian children, etc., when indignant masses needed an occasional pogrom to quench their rage. This is when killing Jews just for being Jews was institutionalized under the rule of various despots, and as nationalism became prevalent in Europe, secularized and adopted by various "enlightened" secular demagogues in Europe . We can recognize many antisemitic tropes that were popularized back then being used today. This is how antisemitism we know today became prevalent in Europe, and this is how so many Jews became victims of wholesale extermination during WW2. For the most part, hey didn't fight back.

It was a huge surprise to everyone that, after WW2, and after the creation of Israel by the UN, Jews started fighting back for their country and their lives. Almost immediately, Jews not living down to the expectations the world got accustomed to in the course of the past centuries, this became the source of pretty universal outrage which transformed the nationalist antisemitism of the Nazi Germany into the internationalist antisemitism of today.


Captain, I'm going check back here in an hour or two because this should good. MMBeilis Jun 2024 #1
They're claudette Jun 2024 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Beachnutt Jun 2024 #6
Wow. Just wow. PeaceWave Jun 2024 #12
They ARE hated more. This can be statistically proven. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #13
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #21
Wow. Just wow. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #23
That's objectively untrue. In fact, your post is nonsense. yardwork Jun 2024 #29
Dear God ismnotwasm Jun 2024 #33
+1 Omnipresent Jun 2024 #37
Tripe. TheProle Jun 2024 #44
'Something.' Seems insufficient to me. elleng Jun 2024 #3
Thanks that's very enlightening. captain queeg Jun 2024 #7
Much of the historical persecution canetoad Jun 2024 #4
No history lesson, but I have a root cause that I believe applies elsewhere EYESORE 9001 Jun 2024 #5
This Beachnutt Jun 2024 #8
Depressing captain queeg Jun 2024 #9
A very short and incomplete summary: Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #10
That was good. Thanks. captain queeg Jun 2024 #15
Yes. This. Very accurate, IMO. Silver Gaia Jun 2024 #18
The Jews were widely despised before 33 AD. Igel Jun 2024 #19
Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" contributed to popularization of antisemitic tropes jmbar2 Jun 2024 #27
The jewish people are minorities. Antisemites applegrove Jun 2024 #11
The disparity in numbers is a real contributor. yardwork Jun 2024 #32
"why the Jews are so hated" Well, how's this for brief... Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #14
There is a book I read in the Autumn Dorian Gray Jun 2024 #16
As far back as in the Bible, they were slaves that escaped. But how they became slaves patricia92243 Jun 2024 #17
The story of Moses and Egypt edhopper Jun 2024 #22
yeah, but... Bucky Jun 2024 #25
This is true edhopper Jun 2024 #30
Read the story of Joseph SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2024 #40
Pls see Beastly Boy's summary above. Also... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #20
Everybody needs someone to hate Bucky Jun 2024 #24
Simple answer atreides1 Jun 2024 #26
Scapegoated for the "murder" of jesus ExciteBike66 Jun 2024 #28
Thanks all. Learned quite a bit and went to some of the links captain queeg Jun 2024 #31
It's a good OP. yardwork Jun 2024 #34
Substituting the entire religion of Judaism for the current Israeli Administration is antisemetic Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #35
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #36
A good resource to understanding this horror is the book, BigDemVoter Jun 2024 #38
Thousands of years SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2024 #39
Some videos...all are about 2 years old, but still, sadly relevant. Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #41
Briefly: TheProle Jun 2024 #42
And then the past 200+ years TheProle Jun 2024 #43
This'll take awhile to wade thru but thanks captain queeg Jun 2024 #45
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