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Igel

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19. The Jews were widely despised before 33 AD.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 06:47 AM
Jun 2024

They rebelled against Rome and refused to be like other citizens. They fought for and got the right not to include Caesar in their Pantheon. They weren't even "good citizens" under the Greek dynasties--that entire Maccabean rebellion thing.

Their very religion said their religion was better than the Greeks', the Romans', the Egyptians, the Capadocians', the Cretans'--all of whom, along with those that attended the Mysteries, found ways to find common ground. Zeus = Jupiter. Even the Mysteries had local variants were the locally prominent god was included in the ceremonies and worship. But the Jews were clearly separatist in religion, in tradition, in practice--and if you were a Pharisee instead of one of the "Zadokians" or "Sadducees" you avoided Gentiles in social settings.

Now, most ethnicities are separatist until they merge--except that they refused to merge. I mean, they may have had an internal debate about Hellenism, but it wasn't a widely beloved set of behaviors and beliefs and cultural practices.

Then there were the Sicari, never a good thing. And their usually slightly less violent Zealots. What happened in the 70s just made them seem both diffident, haughty, defiant, and utterly defeated. (And yet they continued.)

Then there was a secondary, "Christian" religious thing. A lot of early Xians, esp. in the East, maintained the traditions of the first converts: They were Jews that transmogrified their Judaism to Christianity and saw no reason to depart from their traditions. In the West, this was not liked (maybe because it was vaguely Jewish, maybe because it was often Jews by ethnicity but Christians by religion that bore the faith)--and this was eventually decried as a kind of heresy in practice if not in name.

Later we get the "Christ killer idea," but that's just more negative halo effect. Their association with banking and usury (to the extent there was a different) was unfortunate, but if you're hated anyway may as well go into a field that won't make you any more hated--like Dalits going into the most unwanted fields almost by necessity.

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Captain, I'm going check back here in an hour or two because this should good. MMBeilis Jun 2024 #1
They're claudette Jun 2024 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Beachnutt Jun 2024 #6
Wow. Just wow. PeaceWave Jun 2024 #12
They ARE hated more. This can be statistically proven. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #13
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #21
Wow. Just wow. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #23
That's objectively untrue. In fact, your post is nonsense. yardwork Jun 2024 #29
Dear God ismnotwasm Jun 2024 #33
+1 Omnipresent Jun 2024 #37
Tripe. TheProle Jun 2024 #44
'Something.' Seems insufficient to me. elleng Jun 2024 #3
Thanks that's very enlightening. captain queeg Jun 2024 #7
Much of the historical persecution canetoad Jun 2024 #4
No history lesson, but I have a root cause that I believe applies elsewhere EYESORE 9001 Jun 2024 #5
This Beachnutt Jun 2024 #8
Depressing captain queeg Jun 2024 #9
A very short and incomplete summary: Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #10
That was good. Thanks. captain queeg Jun 2024 #15
Yes. This. Very accurate, IMO. Silver Gaia Jun 2024 #18
The Jews were widely despised before 33 AD. Igel Jun 2024 #19
Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" contributed to popularization of antisemitic tropes jmbar2 Jun 2024 #27
The jewish people are minorities. Antisemites applegrove Jun 2024 #11
The disparity in numbers is a real contributor. yardwork Jun 2024 #32
"why the Jews are so hated" Well, how's this for brief... Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #14
There is a book I read in the Autumn Dorian Gray Jun 2024 #16
As far back as in the Bible, they were slaves that escaped. But how they became slaves patricia92243 Jun 2024 #17
The story of Moses and Egypt edhopper Jun 2024 #22
yeah, but... Bucky Jun 2024 #25
This is true edhopper Jun 2024 #30
Read the story of Joseph SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2024 #40
Pls see Beastly Boy's summary above. Also... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #20
Everybody needs someone to hate Bucky Jun 2024 #24
Simple answer atreides1 Jun 2024 #26
Scapegoated for the "murder" of jesus ExciteBike66 Jun 2024 #28
Thanks all. Learned quite a bit and went to some of the links captain queeg Jun 2024 #31
It's a good OP. yardwork Jun 2024 #34
Substituting the entire religion of Judaism for the current Israeli Administration is antisemetic Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #35
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #36
A good resource to understanding this horror is the book, BigDemVoter Jun 2024 #38
Thousands of years SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2024 #39
Some videos...all are about 2 years old, but still, sadly relevant. Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #41
Briefly: TheProle Jun 2024 #42
And then the past 200+ years TheProle Jun 2024 #43
This'll take awhile to wade thru but thanks captain queeg Jun 2024 #45
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