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onenote

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124. No they didn't. You're repeating a lie that simply won't go away.
Thu Jun 27, 2024, 06:17 AM
Jun 2024
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-skews/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/sep/10/facebook-posts/facebook-post-claims-fox-admits-they-lie-have-righ/

see also: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-news-entertainment-switch/

If Fox News has been held to the right to lie, why did they settle a libel case brought by Dominion for $737 million?

My guess is that you are referring to the 2020 case out of the southern district of new york in which Fox News was sued by Karen MacDougal alleging Tucker Carlson defamed her by accusing her of extorting now-President Donald J. Trump out of approximately $150,000 in exchange for her silence about an alleged affair between McDougal and Trump. Fox argued that the suit was dismissed on two grounds: first, that the statements at issue were rhetorical hyperbole made in the context of a commentary and opinion program, not factual "news" program assertions and thus could not be defamatory under a long line of precedent and second, that the plaintiff had failed to establish "actual malice", a prerequisite for a defamation case against a public figure. The case was focused solely on Carlson's program, which is not a news program but is an opinion commentary program. The same reasoning would apply to, for example, Rachel Maddow's program, which is an opinion and commentary program.

Every newspaper in the country refers to itself directly or indirectly as a purveyor of news. And every one of them also runs commentary and opinion pieces. Should newspapers be barred from calling themselves "news"papers? Of course not.

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It's a big No for me. I don't watch it except when Colbert shows some funny chit from FOX. Silent Type Jun 2024 #1
Funny how authoritarian attitudes rear their ugly heads Ocelot II Jun 2024 #2
Funny, Or Sad? ProfessorGAC Jun 2024 #4
Funny how First Amendment Absolutists whathehell Jun 2024 #10
It's hardly 1A absolutism to oppose a government shutdown of an entire TV network Ocelot II Jun 2024 #11
Perhaps, but that may be why some chose "other" whathehell Jun 2024 #15
A suggestion: Don't cite debunked claims about Fox News when arguing against Fox News. onenote Jun 2024 #19
"Fox has never argued in litigation that they whathehell Jun 2024 #87
They argued that, consistent with a long line of precedent, libel law is not applicable toopinion/commentary onenote Jun 2024 #98
They conceded that Tucker Carlson, whathehell Jun 2024 #127
Not everything on Fox News is "news". Just as not everything in a newspaper is "news." onenote Jun 2024 #128
The law is ForgedCrank Jun 2024 #45
The law is whathehell Jun 2024 #69
And so far, thank the lucky stars, the SC has ruled in favor of the 1A. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #71
It doesn't mean we can pretend the First Amendment allows the government to ban opposition outlets they don't like. tritsofme Jun 2024 #72
The rule ForgedCrank Jun 2024 #82
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #83
Lol..Misinterpret much? whathehell Jun 2024 #90
Speaking of ForgedCrank Jun 2024 #97
Oh my..Where to begin? whathehell Jun 2024 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Jun 2024 #130
No, and I didn't define it that way. whathehell Jun 2024 #132
Why should I reply about an impossible and unconstitutional fantasy? brooklynite Jun 2024 #3
Silly poll. Under what authority? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #5
It's not my fantasy. Wednesdays Jun 2024 #17
In my ... I Hate Their Guts Opinion .... I say YES. I am in arotten mood today. Trueblue1968 Jun 2024 #108
How? Who would think that was a good idea? Dorian Gray Jun 2024 #6
Another "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop _____?" WHEN THEY CAN'T. betsuni Jun 2024 #7
I guess the authoritarian enemies of the First Amendment will name themselves! tritsofme Jun 2024 #8
""This has been brought up on other threads today." Well that's a sorry ass excuse for doing it again. elocs Jun 2024 #9
Indeed. nt Wednesdays Jun 2024 #18
What you said in post #17 was a bit more nuanced than that: ms liberty Jun 2024 #33
Have all the wine you want. Wednesdays Jun 2024 #36
Any gov't with that kind of an abuse of power would only hurt YOU next. WarGamer Jun 2024 #12
Maybe we could hear from those choosing "other" whathehell Jun 2024 #13
What we need is a revamping of both the FCC and the FTC. Funtatlaguy Jun 2024 #14
The FCC does regulate both cable and broadcast, but there are differences both statutory and constitutional onenote Jun 2024 #21
It's not news. Fox News admitted in court that it's not news. It's false advertising. Doodley Jun 2024 #121
No they didn't. You're repeating a lie that simply won't go away. onenote Jun 2024 #124
I never stated they admitted they lie. They stated in court that they are an entertainment channel. Doodley Jun 2024 #129
Absolutely not. Elessar Zappa Jun 2024 #16
Bringing back some kind of fairness doctrine would hurt them the most mvd Jun 2024 #20
Do you remember Alan Colmes? onenote Jun 2024 #23
I do mvd Jun 2024 #34
It still wouldn't apply to cable TV Zeitghost Jun 2024 #116
No but they should get sued for false stories until they're broke Tribetime Jun 2024 #22
I'm on board with that MustLoveBeagles Jun 2024 #26
That's such a tankie thing. EllieBC Jun 2024 #24
And you get a 'rec' for using 'Tankie'! Now waiting for someone to ask what it means. GoneOffShore Jun 2024 #74
People don't know what tankies are?!? EllieBC Jun 2024 #120
No MustLoveBeagles Jun 2024 #25
I'd try to shut them down. They are liken to disgusting human garbage and that's how I'd treat them. chouchou Jun 2024 #27
First Amendment be damned? What a terrifying post. tritsofme Jun 2024 #30
I stand by what I said. There are things in life that rules can go fuck themselves. chouchou Jun 2024 #37
It always amazes me that some folks oppose Trump, but seem to want their own version. tritsofme Jun 2024 #38
So Trump can shut down DU too then? Polybius Jun 2024 #41
The question was: "Do you think the Biden administration should..etc" chouchou Jun 2024 #44
If the goal is to "make the world a better place", assuming there could be agreement on how to do that, onenote Jun 2024 #55
Have you ever listened to Fox News for hours on end? I have. (Forced to as trapped on job) chouchou Jun 2024 #60
So, in your mind, this is a reason for the Govt. to shut down an opposition channel MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #63
So who gets to decide what's good and bad? Polybius Jun 2024 #84
Trump is who. If he gets elected. Captain Zero Jun 2024 #123
That is the exact line of reasoning hueymahl Jun 2024 #77
It really is a terrifying post. yardwork Jun 2024 #92
Perfect response from someone who doesn't... DemocratInPa Jun 2024 #59
I disagree with you. chouchou Jun 2024 #61
I don't care if you disagree.. DemocratInPa Jun 2024 #62
That TV station has done more damage to this country than just about anything else. chouchou Jun 2024 #64
And a Republican administration will argue that MSNBC and DU have done more damage to this country Polybius Jun 2024 #86
They would be wrong. Political scientists have proven that Fox News has damaged the Democratic party...through lying. chouchou Jun 2024 #89
Funny how Nixon and Reagan were elected, twice, before there was Fox News, and while there was a fairness doctrine. onenote Jun 2024 #100
So what? MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #65
No..When it comes to Fox News, I'd kick their ass back to Australia...if I could. chouchou Jun 2024 #67
That's fine, that's your opinion, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #68
Exactly, the First Amendment exists precisely to protect us all from the authoritarian dreams of folks like this. tritsofme Jun 2024 #73
Thank goddess you are not in power hueymahl Jun 2024 #76
Wow!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #79
LOL hueymahl Jun 2024 #80
Love you too, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #81
Just keep suing IdiotsforPalin Jun 2024 #28
This MustLoveBeagles Jun 2024 #29
Slippery slope. moondust Jun 2024 #31
Give FOX a chance first to stop the lies and winger propaganda... brush Jun 2024 #32
Fuck no...can't believe this is even being discussed. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2024 #35
The 17% who voted yes are in the wrong group Polybius Jun 2024 #39
Inappropriate. Doodley Jun 2024 #42
No Polybius Jun 2024 #43
It is un-American to oppose the First Amendment, whether you are Donald Trump, or anyone else. tritsofme Jun 2024 #115
Something needs to be done before it's too late, or maybe it is too late already. Doodley Jun 2024 #40
Freedom of speech 1st Amendment includes lying. GoodRaisin Jun 2024 #46
No DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2024 #47
Of course not. But bring back the fairness doctrine Bucky Jun 2024 #48
It should come back, but it wouldn't apply to this. themaguffin Jun 2024 #49
Claro Bucky Jun 2024 #51
what? themaguffin Jun 2024 #58
That isn't how the FD worked. onenote Jun 2024 #52
Of course not. Bucky Jun 2024 #54
FD doesn't apply to cable TheProle Jun 2024 #75
This is silly. DemocratInPa Jun 2024 #50
If you can justify forcing TikTok to shut down, you can justify forcing Fox to shut down. Lancero Jun 2024 #53
Exactly. Both are dead wrong positions. hueymahl Jun 2024 #78
TikToc can avoid being shutdown without changing content Kaleva Jun 2024 #96
Remember the days when we called this ban attempt for what it was? Lancero Jun 2024 #103
That article was about abuse of presidential power Kaleva Jun 2024 #110
No, but they shouldnt carry the label "news" Flatrat Jun 2024 #56
No BlueKota Jun 2024 #57
The only way to protect our freedoms sarisataka Jun 2024 #66
silly H2O Man Jun 2024 #70
the government should not shut down news outlets DBoon Jun 2024 #85
Reinstate the fairness doctrine and enforce it with fines. kimbutgar Jun 2024 #88
Please see: TheProle Jun 2024 #91
Too bad it can't be updated to include cable tv news today. kimbutgar Jun 2024 #93
If it could be "updated" to include cable news, it could be updated to include internet content. Like DU. onenote Jun 2024 #102
And that's how you get a fairness doctrine Zeitghost Jun 2024 #117
And how does the Biden Administration do this? NT Patton French Jun 2024 #94
I would like to see News used in names when 100% of programming is News and not 10%, 90% Commentary. TheBlackAdder Jun 2024 #95
Is Rachel Maddow's show news, commentary, or a combination? How should it be labeled? onenote Jun 2024 #99
She's a hybrid, but she's on Microsoft National Broadcasting Company. TheBlackAdder Jun 2024 #106
No. And what about OAN and Newsmax? RussBLib Jun 2024 #101
No, but the cable providers don't have to carry any stations. pwb Jun 2024 #104
No. Consumers should drive fox out of business. And companies/individuals who they have lied emulatorloo Jun 2024 #105
Absolutely 100% opposed to this sort of despotism TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author PJMcK Jun 2024 #109
Dumb question. No President should ever "shut down" a news organization. Iggo Jun 2024 #111
restore the fairness doctrine. pansypoo53219 Jun 2024 #112
Shutting down a news organization? Music Man Jun 2024 #113
What I would like, and it might require amending the Constitution (that is to say, might be pratically impossible)... Silent3 Jun 2024 #114
People are free to be wrong Zeitghost Jun 2024 #118
I'm not arguing against the right to be wrong Silent3 Jun 2024 #119
A president can't do that, so why ask? DFW Jun 2024 #122
How does that work? nt Gore1FL Jun 2024 #126
That would set a bad precedent... jmowreader Jun 2024 #131
Not News Blue Full Moon Jun 2024 #133
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