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returnee

(524 posts)
85. Not exactly ready to call for Biden to step down, but...
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 08:19 AM
Jun 2024

…what we saw at the debate was TSFConvict at his best, the inveterate spewer of lies. This has been exactly his modus operandi all his life, and it is what has kept him as not just a viable candidate but an extremely competitive one. Biden objectively and abjectly failed to counter these lies on the great broadcast stage.

Now, there could be many reasons for this, and it is not necessarily irreparable. Joe apparently did very well in N. Carolina yesterday. Good on him! Keep it up!

Now, imagine another poor performance later, after it is too late to change horses, say in Sept, after the convention (or frankly at any time). We are at risk for losing serious ground. What then?

In no way do I question Biden’s ability to govern. I do question his current communication skills.

I also question his campaign strategists. His team has to figure out a way to simultaneously advertise his accomplishments and demolish TSFConvict’s lies. So far I don’t think the team is doing a great job at this. In fact, agreeing to debate TSFConvict at all was a highly questionable decision.

I think paid TV time with simple explanations of Dem vs Repub historical effects on the economy, such as the shifts in wealth to the rich, tax breaks for the rich and corporations, the national debt, “inflation” bs corporate greed, etc., with easy to understand graphs might help. The same could true for dedicated paid time for demolishing maggat lies and their treasonous behavior might also help.

I appreciate the idea of doubling down behind Biden. Let’s see if the campaign can quickly come to terms with this setback (could be just a hiccup, I know). I have always been hopeful that Biden/Harris could defeat TSFConvict, but strategy and tactics will be decisive, and I hope we can see soon that the campaign and the Party can demonstrate soon that they’ve got this.




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Oh, for fuck's sake, people. [View all] Tommy Carcetti Jun 2024 OP
Enjoy your vacation. dem4decades Jun 2024 #1
Biden has good people working under him ShepKat Jun 2024 #2
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #46
Campaign ending? What bullshit. wnylib Jun 2024 #56
I hope you're right peppertree Jun 2024 #59
2012 Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama, first debate. wnylib Jun 2024 #63
I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for bringing it up. C Moon Jun 2024 #71
I was on a phone banking team for Obama in 2012. We watched that debate together. wnylib Jun 2024 #75
I don't remember that debate COL Mustard Jun 2024 #84
A bold and honest post. Now, the question is, what will cause people to go to the polls in November. jaxexpat Jun 2024 #60
Why, thank you. This does indeed add a lot of uncertainty to the race. peppertree Jun 2024 #61
You nailed it. lees1975 Jun 2024 #3
I admire your positivity CanonRay Jun 2024 #4
Agree...there was a terrible stench in the room..yes his flatulence, but more the stench out of his mouth gaslighting PortTack Jun 2024 #25
Well said less1975. Thank you. c-rational Jun 2024 #26
Well said, but you're an adult. Eclipsenow Jul 2024 #92
You need to watch the debate to know why there are concerns. Sneederbunk Jun 2024 #5
We are concerned that a rapist who tried a coup is even allowed to run. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #7
Of course we are! That's why so many voiced what KPN Jun 2024 #14
Yes it was for the guy who lied repeatedly failing to answer even one question. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #17
My comments have nothing to do with who I thought KPN Jun 2024 #24
For fucks sake. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #29
OFFS! Bye. KPN Jun 2024 #33
Thank You. whathehell Jun 2024 #66
Gaslight? Dorian Gray Jul 2024 #96
Yes...ppl here are critical of president Biden! critical enough to call for him to step down.Be concerned about that! PortTack Jun 2024 #23
I am concerned about that! That has nothing to do KPN Jun 2024 #31
Disagree! PortTack Jun 2024 #42
It wasn't just a sore throat AdamGG Jun 2024 #43
The mischaracterization and concern are noted. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #50
I'll donate more to the campaign and encourage people that AdamGG Jun 2024 #58
One point Dorian Gray Jul 2024 #95
You need to watch the focus groups to understand why I am perhaps less concerned than you are emulatorloo Jun 2024 #51
Thanks for posting this Farmer-Rick Jun 2024 #62
I'll be on vacation after today EYESORE 9001 Jun 2024 #6
I'll just keep doing what I've beeb doing: avoiding all the MSM *except* for MSNBC. ShazzieB Jun 2024 #34
Yeah, all those rating-obsessed idiots give me ulcers so Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #36
Recommend. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #8
You didn't watch the debate. It is well that you didn't. KPN Jun 2024 #9
+1 demmiblue Jun 2024 #10
I watched it with traitortrump muted. The only shock was the shit being slung here afterwards. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #18
Oh no kidding...positive some are trolls! PortTack Jun 2024 #20
Yes. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #32
Because we are worried and scared to fucking death, we are trolls. I call bullshit. OverBurn Jun 2024 #68
From what I've read, a lot of undecided Latinos in focus groups BlueSky3 Jun 2024 #76
x a million judesedit Jun 2024 #11
ok put your voting pencils back et tu Jun 2024 #12
Kick and Rec orangecrush Jun 2024 #13
I haven't given up hope that Trump won't even be nominated, if he implodes before then William Seger Jun 2024 #15
Hear hear!!! liberalla Jun 2024 #16
Enjoy your vacation and ignore the trolls! PortTack Jun 2024 #19
People's minds were made up before the debate. zanana1 Jun 2024 #21
Hear Hear!! Just donated to Biden Harris campaign. It should spur us to contribute to help POTUS Biden ramp up more his onetexan Jun 2024 #22
Some registered independent voters said Biden did fine. Farmer-Rick Jun 2024 #27
Posted some focus group clips upthread. Undecideds and/or Swing voters. They hated Trump. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #55
With all due respect sunnybrook Jun 2024 #28
Thank you! denvine Jun 2024 #70
A voice of reason, thank you. CaptainTruth Jun 2024 #30
Come back once you've seen the event in question... Drum Jun 2024 #35
K&R Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #37
Yep. malthaussen Jun 2024 #38
I am concerned, I never post here often dualboy24 Jun 2024 #39
Same. I've been a Dark Brandon supporter up until now budkin Jun 2024 #54
My friends hurple Jun 2024 #40
I disagree Beck23 Jun 2024 #49
Disagree? hurple Jun 2024 #74
... emulatorloo Jun 2024 #57
Might want to check this out. shrike3 Jun 2024 #88
Exactamundo! byronius Jun 2024 #41
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2024 #44
I agree. Elessar Zappa Jun 2024 #45
Older people face prejudice Beck23 Jun 2024 #47
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2024 #48
Kick and Rec emulatorloo Jun 2024 #52
You can't just drop a post like this without experiencing it budkin Jun 2024 #53
Watch focus group footage so you will understand Trump disgusted them emulatorloo Jun 2024 #64
I love President Biden and he has my support! Erda Jun 2024 #65
I appreciate the optimism, but here's the fly in the ointment. JohnnyRingo Jun 2024 #67
When you have a bad cold Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #73
A bad cold? JohnnyRingo Jun 2024 #79
If you get a bunch of decongestants on board Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #86
This election will be decided by GOTV and the undecided in crucial swing states Martin Eden Jun 2024 #69
It's the new "hair on fire" media style. Oneironaut Jun 2024 #72
Yeah it tells you who spends too much time on the internet DemocracyWorks Jun 2024 #77
Thank You! NewLarry Jun 2024 #78
I'm also on vacation and should never have come here last night... Hekate Jun 2024 #80
Enjoy. Nimble_Idea Jun 2024 #81
CNN can go shove their convicted felon golden boy rapist up their ass Blue Owl Jun 2024 #82
To be seen on billboards: LEADER OR LIAR. usonian Jun 2024 #83
Hmmmmm - I like that one, usonian! calimary Jun 2024 #87
Someone picked it up and posted to social media. usonian Jun 2024 #89
It soitenly does! calimary Jun 2024 #90
Not exactly ready to call for Biden to step down, but... returnee Jun 2024 #85
A note from Downunder - what an Aussie men's group concluded. Eclipsenow Jul 2024 #91
Presidents do not quit!!! Nixon was the only one. He did it to avoid being impeached. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #93
Well said @Tommy Carcetti!!! I feel the same way you do. Enjoy ur vacation. n/t iluvtennis Jul 2024 #94
Thank you. Tommy Carcetti Jul 2024 #98
THANK YOU!! raccoon Jul 2024 #97
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