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Eclipsenow

(65 posts)
91. A note from Downunder - what an Aussie men's group concluded.
Wed Jul 3, 2024, 08:40 AM
Jul 2024

Disclaimer - I'm Australian. But I'm commenting here because we're scared. I sat around with my men's group over pizza and beers - and there was genuine fear about the potential for an actual decline of democracy in your country. That - or worse. Civil war.

Here's the thing: I hate what I'm about to say. I think adults should use their brains and vote for policy, not personality. Vote for maintaining a fair and decent society, not the person with the meanest put-downs or quickest wit. In fact - I get positively BORED by personality politics - because what I want to hear about is climate change, energy policy, housing, building neighbourhoods with a walkable town square, gun policy, public transport, universal public health like we have in Australia, etc.

But NO! All the talk is of how bad Biden looked in the debate, and how lying malignant narcissist Trump WON that debate - because Biden will not retire! I want to scream to MAGA types "Do you know what you're doing? Be an ADULT and vote for policy for crying out loud!"

I want to scream in their faces that what Trump promised, Biden delivered. IRA should be called "The MAGA act" - as that might actually get some Republicans to take a look at the most important bit of industrial legislation in your country in decades! It's simply the boldest move with the most boring name ever!

Anyway - my men's group reminded my idealistic self that America and MAGA types today are not a polite debate with Jeb Bartlett off "West Wing." Noooo - that age has long gone - if it ever existed. This is "The Boys" - and Trump is their Homelander.

To be President IS to have to APPEAR charismatic, quick-witted, strong, bold, handsome (or beautiful if a lady), regal, powerful - a paragon of energy and vitality and everything "American". (Whatever that means today!)

I hate it. I want to believe we can be more adult, and realise we're voting for administrations and policies and an idea of the world - but then I see MAGA types being interviewed on TV - and I shake my head in amazement.

My Aussie Men's group begs the Democratic party to ask President Biden to retire immediately - and appoint Kamala as President. Swear her in. Let her run the country while campaigning.

Then what do you get? First - no more sleepy Joe. It would be one of the most controversial moves in American political history. She would be a SHOCK to the nation. But not boring! And here's another thing.

NOT OLD!

The Republicans have not been playing fair - or even by the spirit of the law (now that the Supreme Court is so stacked and biased against reality.)

But a vital, energetic, sane President verses the insane OLD Orange Man? Now that's got some potential!

Who is OLD now MAGA types? Who is OLD and unfit now Mr Orange Man?

It's not sleepy. Not scared and confused and lost for words.

Kamala would be an amazing foil to Trump. He might not be able to resist saying certain things about her that would make him very unpopular with the ladies!

If MAGA voters are shallow enough to want to play personality politics - fine. We think you should pour out the gasoline on that fire and see what happens!


(Practically it also prevents a voting round or blood letting from intra-party campaigning, etc. It would be very "Westminster" system of you to just GET this candidate thing sorted and take it to the election! Finally - I think I heard she would have access to all Biden's campaign finances? If it were anyone else - wouldn't the party have to refund all donors and start again?)




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Oh, for fuck's sake, people. [View all] Tommy Carcetti Jun 2024 OP
Enjoy your vacation. dem4decades Jun 2024 #1
Biden has good people working under him ShepKat Jun 2024 #2
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #46
Campaign ending? What bullshit. wnylib Jun 2024 #56
I hope you're right peppertree Jun 2024 #59
2012 Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama, first debate. wnylib Jun 2024 #63
I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for bringing it up. C Moon Jun 2024 #71
I was on a phone banking team for Obama in 2012. We watched that debate together. wnylib Jun 2024 #75
I don't remember that debate COL Mustard Jun 2024 #84
A bold and honest post. Now, the question is, what will cause people to go to the polls in November. jaxexpat Jun 2024 #60
Why, thank you. This does indeed add a lot of uncertainty to the race. peppertree Jun 2024 #61
You nailed it. lees1975 Jun 2024 #3
I admire your positivity CanonRay Jun 2024 #4
Agree...there was a terrible stench in the room..yes his flatulence, but more the stench out of his mouth gaslighting PortTack Jun 2024 #25
Well said less1975. Thank you. c-rational Jun 2024 #26
Well said, but you're an adult. Eclipsenow Jul 2024 #92
You need to watch the debate to know why there are concerns. Sneederbunk Jun 2024 #5
We are concerned that a rapist who tried a coup is even allowed to run. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #7
Of course we are! That's why so many voiced what KPN Jun 2024 #14
Yes it was for the guy who lied repeatedly failing to answer even one question. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #17
My comments have nothing to do with who I thought KPN Jun 2024 #24
For fucks sake. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #29
OFFS! Bye. KPN Jun 2024 #33
Thank You. whathehell Jun 2024 #66
Gaslight? Dorian Gray Jul 2024 #96
Yes...ppl here are critical of president Biden! critical enough to call for him to step down.Be concerned about that! PortTack Jun 2024 #23
I am concerned about that! That has nothing to do KPN Jun 2024 #31
Disagree! PortTack Jun 2024 #42
It wasn't just a sore throat AdamGG Jun 2024 #43
The mischaracterization and concern are noted. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #50
I'll donate more to the campaign and encourage people that AdamGG Jun 2024 #58
One point Dorian Gray Jul 2024 #95
You need to watch the focus groups to understand why I am perhaps less concerned than you are emulatorloo Jun 2024 #51
Thanks for posting this Farmer-Rick Jun 2024 #62
I'll be on vacation after today EYESORE 9001 Jun 2024 #6
I'll just keep doing what I've beeb doing: avoiding all the MSM *except* for MSNBC. ShazzieB Jun 2024 #34
Yeah, all those rating-obsessed idiots give me ulcers so Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #36
Recommend. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #8
You didn't watch the debate. It is well that you didn't. KPN Jun 2024 #9
+1 demmiblue Jun 2024 #10
I watched it with traitortrump muted. The only shock was the shit being slung here afterwards. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #18
Oh no kidding...positive some are trolls! PortTack Jun 2024 #20
Yes. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #32
Because we are worried and scared to fucking death, we are trolls. I call bullshit. OverBurn Jun 2024 #68
From what I've read, a lot of undecided Latinos in focus groups BlueSky3 Jun 2024 #76
x a million judesedit Jun 2024 #11
ok put your voting pencils back et tu Jun 2024 #12
Kick and Rec orangecrush Jun 2024 #13
I haven't given up hope that Trump won't even be nominated, if he implodes before then William Seger Jun 2024 #15
Hear hear!!! liberalla Jun 2024 #16
Enjoy your vacation and ignore the trolls! PortTack Jun 2024 #19
People's minds were made up before the debate. zanana1 Jun 2024 #21
Hear Hear!! Just donated to Biden Harris campaign. It should spur us to contribute to help POTUS Biden ramp up more his onetexan Jun 2024 #22
Some registered independent voters said Biden did fine. Farmer-Rick Jun 2024 #27
Posted some focus group clips upthread. Undecideds and/or Swing voters. They hated Trump. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #55
With all due respect sunnybrook Jun 2024 #28
Thank you! denvine Jun 2024 #70
A voice of reason, thank you. CaptainTruth Jun 2024 #30
Come back once you've seen the event in question... Drum Jun 2024 #35
K&R Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #37
Yep. malthaussen Jun 2024 #38
I am concerned, I never post here often dualboy24 Jun 2024 #39
Same. I've been a Dark Brandon supporter up until now budkin Jun 2024 #54
My friends hurple Jun 2024 #40
I disagree Beck23 Jun 2024 #49
Disagree? hurple Jun 2024 #74
... emulatorloo Jun 2024 #57
Might want to check this out. shrike3 Jun 2024 #88
Exactamundo! byronius Jun 2024 #41
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2024 #44
I agree. Elessar Zappa Jun 2024 #45
Older people face prejudice Beck23 Jun 2024 #47
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2024 #48
Kick and Rec emulatorloo Jun 2024 #52
You can't just drop a post like this without experiencing it budkin Jun 2024 #53
Watch focus group footage so you will understand Trump disgusted them emulatorloo Jun 2024 #64
I love President Biden and he has my support! Erda Jun 2024 #65
I appreciate the optimism, but here's the fly in the ointment. JohnnyRingo Jun 2024 #67
When you have a bad cold Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #73
A bad cold? JohnnyRingo Jun 2024 #79
If you get a bunch of decongestants on board Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #86
This election will be decided by GOTV and the undecided in crucial swing states Martin Eden Jun 2024 #69
It's the new "hair on fire" media style. Oneironaut Jun 2024 #72
Yeah it tells you who spends too much time on the internet DemocracyWorks Jun 2024 #77
Thank You! NewLarry Jun 2024 #78
I'm also on vacation and should never have come here last night... Hekate Jun 2024 #80
Enjoy. Nimble_Idea Jun 2024 #81
CNN can go shove their convicted felon golden boy rapist up their ass Blue Owl Jun 2024 #82
To be seen on billboards: LEADER OR LIAR. usonian Jun 2024 #83
Hmmmmm - I like that one, usonian! calimary Jun 2024 #87
Someone picked it up and posted to social media. usonian Jun 2024 #89
It soitenly does! calimary Jun 2024 #90
Not exactly ready to call for Biden to step down, but... returnee Jun 2024 #85
A note from Downunder - what an Aussie men's group concluded. Eclipsenow Jul 2024 #91
Presidents do not quit!!! Nixon was the only one. He did it to avoid being impeached. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #93
Well said @Tommy Carcetti!!! I feel the same way you do. Enjoy ur vacation. n/t iluvtennis Jul 2024 #94
Thank you. Tommy Carcetti Jul 2024 #98
THANK YOU!! raccoon Jul 2024 #97
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