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DFW

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8. Well, no, not all of us want that, but I get your point.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:43 AM
Oct 2024

We have lived with all sorts of socialism next door. Stalinist in East Germany and Bulgaria, nut case in Albania, “my way” in Romania*, “goulash” in Hungary, “kinda-sorta” in Yugoslavia, even the short-lived “elitist-light” version that existed in France during Mitterand’s first term. There was always the Soviet elephant in the room, pissed that he let Tito get away, and determined never to let it happen again. East Berlin 1953, Budapest 1956, Prague 1968, it was made clear where the line was drawn.

*“My way” equality in Ceausescu’s Romania consisted of “As your fearless leader, I get half, and the rest of you can all have thirds.”

Except for Yugoslavia, all those places had a common theme: a tiny privileged government elite, a subjugated everyone else, no permission to dissent or protest or even leave, and tests of ideological purity if you wanted to get anywhere (or being a sports star, watched by special secret police during trips abroad so you don’t decide to stay).

It wasn’t the theory, it wasn’t the ideal, but it was the reality. I visited those places when they existed, or soon after the socialist regimes fell. I speak English, Russian, German, Italian and French, which was enough to communicate with 90% of the people I met.

Most of them didn’t want the system they were living under. Official East German propaganda called their regime “the true existing socialism on German soil.” People were shot in the back trying to flee it. Their privileged elite thought it was great. For most of the people, more and “better” versions of that was definitely not what they all wanted. It certainly cured me of ever wanting it. I’m all for the “social” part. I’m perfectly willing to leave the “ism” on the end to Kim Jong Un.

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Errr. They only believe they deserve help from government Claustrum Oct 2024 #1
When you're white and having trouble RandySF Oct 2024 #2
The main thing is duncang Oct 2024 #3
That claim saying they only get $750 isn't accurate ClimateHawk Oct 2024 #4
I feel for them all. It's only been a week. Aide is flowing and more is on way. Silent Type Oct 2024 #5
Only a week soandso Oct 2024 #6
The sad fact is DFW Oct 2024 #9
Yes, and my point was soandso Oct 2024 #11
Katrina was what I had in mind DFW Oct 2024 #12
DeSantis would not even meet with Biden usedtobedemgurl Oct 2024 #13
DeSanctimonious (R) will have his hand out soon for fed $ BoRaGard Oct 2024 #15
Is there another storm? usedtobedemgurl Oct 2024 #16
Yes another big one BoRaGard Oct 2024 #17
Thank you. usedtobedemgurl Oct 2024 #20
Fortunately, North Carolina has a smart, adept Democratic governor. yardwork Oct 2024 #22
It's one thing if you build a ramshackle cabin hanging off the side of a mountain. mucholderthandirt Oct 2024 #44
Biden needs to call a special session of Congress cally Oct 2024 #7
Well, no, not all of us want that, but I get your point. DFW Oct 2024 #8
My sister and her NC family live in Asheville.. Cha Oct 2024 #10
Bootstraps are for the "other" people. My guess is half the MAGAs are on SS, welfare, Medicaid. But only for them, see. mucholderthandirt Oct 2024 #45
Russian bots amp up the MAGA whining BoRaGard Oct 2024 #14
They should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. GoCubsGo Oct 2024 #18
Congress controls the purse strings. If Republicans Emile Oct 2024 #19
Send them this malaise Oct 2024 #21
There is a lot of misinformation spread by Trump and others. yardwork Oct 2024 #23
it's literally $50 more than Lahaina got cadoman Oct 2024 #24
Social media trolls and bots are all over with fake posts JCMach1 Oct 2024 #25
My Facebook and Instagram DeepWinter Oct 2024 #34
Makes a person wonder dpibel Oct 2024 #35
Oh, I read everything DeepWinter Oct 2024 #36
If there is any polling drag it's from all the weight of all that shite JCMach1 Oct 2024 #41
If they think it's bad now... -misanthroptimist Oct 2024 #26
I've been following it too moose65 Oct 2024 #27
Democrats want socialism? Think. Again. Oct 2024 #28
The scale of the damage is staggering. Getting aid to everyone in a week impossible. JanMichael Oct 2024 #29
My bestie in Avery County finally could check in, moonscape Oct 2024 #32
Yikes. Water is on in Sugar and electric is iffy. JanMichael Oct 2024 #37
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She just texted they got power! Woot! moonscape Oct 2024 #42
Good to hear! JanMichael Oct 2024 #43
git them thar bootstraps! Nimble_Idea Oct 2024 #30
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Having done this for a living quaker bill Oct 2024 #33
I agree peggysue2 Oct 2024 #40
Dems are being decent and hardworking about the whole thing gulliver Oct 2024 #39
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