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Stardust Mirror

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82. let's write a new constitution after the MAGAts succeed from the Union, like they did last time

Tue Oct 29, 2024, 09:44 PM

Oct 29

and this constitution won't have to be carefully crafted to guarantee the continuation of slavery*
slavery, y'know, upon which the entire economy of the colonies, North and South, were dependent

*3/5 clause
*Electoral College
*Senate
*the Article referenced above in this thread saying states must approve change in their representation

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The electoral college is 100% PURE BULLSHIT! [View all] garybeck Oct 29 OP

Time to do away with it. republianmushroom Oct 29 #1

Petition to eliminate Electoral College - actblue kerry-is-my-prez Oct 29 #55

How does one rule the Constitution unconstitutional? sarisataka Oct 29 #2

well. if there are two contradictory things in there, garybeck Oct 29 #64

It is horrible. H2O Man Oct 29 #84

Yeah there's no way we can get rid of the electoral college without an amendment. Initech Oct 29 #104

..and there never will be Cirsium Oct 30 #105

Technically, it can't be unconstitutional if it's part no_hypocrisy Oct 29 #3

Perhaps by ruling that if each candidate receives an equal number of the popular vote then the EC kicks in in2herbs Oct 29 #5

But that's not what the Constitution says. It would take an Amendment to do that, not a court decision. rsdsharp Oct 29 #51

That is how an amendment would work. nt in2herbs Oct 29 #65

Amendments aren't "ruling[s]." Court decisions are. rsdsharp Oct 29 #66

The fundamental problem is that it IS constitutional. We need to amend the US Constitution to abolish it. Pacifist Patriot Oct 29 #4

The Senate composition is unamendable DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 29 #11

Thank you, this doesn't get said enough Amishman Oct 29 #18

Equal should be replaced by equitable everywhere dickthegrouch Oct 29 #19

You can not change the senate but you can work to balance things in the house. bottomofthehill Oct 29 #81

What are the other unamendable provisions? dpibel Oct 29 #25

We could hypothetically write and ratify a new constitution Jerry2144 Oct 29 #28

You don't have to rewrite the Constitution to pass an amendment dpibel Oct 29 #34

But when you factor in how old it isand how much things changed Jerry2144 Oct 29 #46

let's write a new constitution after the MAGAts succeed from the Union, like they did last time Stardust Mirror Oct 29 #82

There are 3 unamendable provisions written into the Constitution DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 29 #62

proposed amendment lapfog_1 Oct 29 #36

Damn! I've read a couple of really compelling articles about this by people who should know better. Pacifist Patriot Oct 29 #39

Here's a possibility dpibel Oct 29 #48

Actually it can be. Angleae Oct 29 #59

Yes DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 29 #63

Thank you for that clarification. Pacifist Patriot Oct 29 #72

Well then the Senate will continue to be RW, radius777 Nov 3 #111

True. - - - - also true , it's all been said before stopdiggin Oct 29 #6

We're not one country Baggies Oct 29 #7

What leverage do the small states have? dpibel Oct 29 #9

The current situation has worked Baggies Oct 29 #20

Trade for 32 of 32? Sure. dpibel Oct 29 #23

Not entirely Baggies Oct 29 #26

Objection. Nonresponsive. dpibel Oct 29 #31

Pax Romana Baggies Oct 29 #33

LOL dpibel Oct 29 #35

Our system is designed Zeitghost Oct 29 #70

The EC does that? dpibel Oct 29 #73

Not by itself Zeitghost Oct 29 #83

Explain for those of us who are slow dpibel Oct 29 #86

this was all about the south and owning black people lapfog_1 Oct 29 #37

WTF Skittles Oct 29 #79

We are a federation of independent states. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 29 #89

THEY NEED TO GET RID OF IT Skittles Oct 29 #95

Rant on brother. maxsolomon Oct 29 #8

The US far from unique in not directly electing its head of government Jose Garcia Oct 29 #10

Unconstitutional, even though it is in the constitution ? MichMan Oct 29 #12

the 87th Amendment. Citizens fee-fees shall not be hurt? WarGamer Oct 29 #15

Can you kindly point me dpibel Oct 29 #76

actually this happens all the time lapfog_1 Oct 29 #41

That isn't at all the same MichMan Oct 29 #56

much like Presidential immunity? lapfog_1 Oct 29 #74

I remember my outrage when I first learned about the EC BWdem4life Oct 29 #13

This is a very important point Metaphorical Oct 29 #40

If the GOP saw an advantage in going towards proportional representation MichMan Oct 29 #68

Got anything other than ad hominem? dpibel Oct 29 #77

I rather doubt it Metaphorical Oct 30 #106

I think baseball games should be decided by which team gets more home runs. WarGamer Oct 29 #14

Win more innings, win the game, regardless of dvan Oct 29 #16

You do know about MLB rules, right? dpibel Oct 29 #29

The Constitution mandates that we use the system we have now Kaleva Oct 29 #17

It's part of the Constitution Polybius Oct 29 #21

Democracy- sarisataka Oct 29 #22

This quote is not exactly an argument for minority rule dpibel Oct 29 #45

I am not arguing for minority rule sarisataka Oct 29 #54

You're misrepresenting the OP dpibel Oct 29 #78

Keep it as it is manicdem Oct 29 #24

"It's worked well" except for when it hasn't dpibel Oct 29 #30

Which is way too often since 2000 JCMach1 Oct 29 #32

It HAD a purpose for existing. That purpose has long passed. In It to Win It Oct 29 #42

WTF Skittles Oct 29 #98

K&R. Quite the Electoral Clown College ck4829 Oct 29 #27

I have a question for all you constitutional law experts - TBF Oct 29 #38

It's a Good Question Metaphorical Oct 29 #57

Thank you for the explanation - TBF Oct 29 #71

I don't see anyone saying the EC CAN'T be changed, just that it needs to be changed by contitutional kelly1mm Oct 29 #93

If it was keeping Republicans from getting elected it would have doc03 Oct 29 #43

And if it was keeping Republicans from getting elected, we would think it was sacrosanct. MichMan Oct 29 #69

The reasons weren't so stupid in 1787 DFW Oct 29 #44

Well said dpibel Oct 29 #50

Feelings aside Ontheboundry Oct 29 #47

Incantations dpibel Oct 29 #53

Article 4 section 4 Ontheboundry Oct 29 #60

I do not think dpibel Oct 29 #75

It don't say 'republican' Ontheboundry Oct 30 #107

Really, now? It do in my Constitution. dpibel Oct 30 #108

It's a legacy from mollifying the southern slave states so they would join the union al bupp Oct 29 #49

I couldn't agree more. raccoon Oct 29 #52

Until things improve -- like old rubes pass on -- there is virtually no chance of removing EC. Sad, but way it is. Silent Type Oct 29 #58

It was one of the dumbest ideas the creators decided Dem4life1234 Oct 29 #61

people in the backwoods of Idaho have access to the same information we all do Skittles Oct 29 #80

It really isn't Cuthbert Allgood Oct 29 #90

That horse has departed dpibel Oct 29 #96

But it's not dead Cuthbert Allgood Nov 3 #109

Say what? dpibel Nov 3 #110

I'm not saying it protects it; I'm saying it goes hand in hand. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 3 #112

You do know I can read your words, right? dpibel Nov 3 #113

Well Adam Smith's invisible hand sure is BS Blue Full Moon Oct 29 #67

This has been gone over many times here at DU. It is 100% not unconstitutional and the only kelly1mm Oct 29 #85

One more, as long as we're listing dpibel Oct 29 #87

Thats an expanded (but not needed) #1. If 270 EC votes states agree to award their EC kelly1mm Oct 29 #88

The only way Republicans would get on board for any reform to the EC or any method of reform that you outlined In It to Win It Oct 29 #91

Agree that the R's are not on board. But that doesn't change the available options, does it? If you kelly1mm Oct 29 #97

Not at all. I'm not disagreeing with you. In It to Win It Oct 29 #99

Nor I with you then! Sorry for my confusion. NPV compact seems the only viable potential (not easy) option. nt kelly1mm Oct 29 #102

You can not eliminate the electoral college...it would require a constitution amendment. Demsrule86 Oct 29 #92

What needs to happen is for a Democrat to win the electoral college Jack Valentino Oct 29 #94

Right. That's the only way they'll get on board. In It to Win It Oct 29 #100

Back in the 1980's when they were winning the popular vote by large margins, Jack Valentino Oct 29 #101

Once again, The Framers framed us. Hassler Oct 29 #103