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84. For me, it's ironically patriotism.

Tue Nov 5, 2024, 12:15 AM

Nov 5

Both sides of my family go back 400 years or more in America. My grandma was an Adams as in President Adams (take your pick).

When I get in debates about immigration, I always bring this up. "Imagine if my ancestors felt that way about yours." Read the plaque at the Statue of Liberty. It says it all in heart-breaking poetry:

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus
November 2, 1883

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I think that H2O Man Nov 4 #13

Some family influence from parents but also bovine6 Nov 4 #14

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Patriotism...the more original sort. Drum Nov 4 #22

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Ya know? Glamrock Nov 4 #49

I know. Used to tell my husband who was an atheist that he should read the Gospels MaryMagdaline Nov 4 #67

Definitely a compliment. MaryMagdaline Nov 4 #68

This mirrors my life as well. Sermon on the Mount is still gospel (small "g") to me MaryMagdaline Nov 4 #61

Hahahaha! Glamrock Nov 4 #62

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Unfortunately, the lessons about the latter didn't stick as well as the former! Glamrock Nov 4 #72

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Two things. TomSlick Nov 4 #44

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A combination of those things. lees1975 Nov 4 #46

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Education... Happy Hoosier Nov 4 #47

Trained in Economics IbogaProject Nov 4 #48

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For me, it's ironically patriotism. notroot Nov 5 #84

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I exist out of spite. DiamondShark Nov 5 #87

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When you are in Junior High... blue sky at night Nov 5 #157

Yes!! Those events were great influences on me as well MaryMagdaline Nov 5 #162

Why am I a Democrat? Americanme Nov 5 #158

The first time I saw dlilafae Nov 5 #161

Poverty joshcryer Nov 5 #163

That'll do it MaryMagdaline Nov 5 #164

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Never being dazzled by Reagan is a good thing. MaryMagdaline Nov 5 #171

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My faith... regnaD kciN Nov 5 #178

Learning things myself instead of believing what I'm told. Tbone421 Nov 5 #179

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What herd? Brenda Nov 5 #181

White male by accident of birth Zambero Nov 5 #182

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Punctuation is important! JoseBalow Nov 5 #185

? The sentence made sense Lulu KC Nov 5 #186

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Perhaps Lulu KC Nov 5 #194

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