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59. That argument seems to hold. In a "highly progressive" state like CA, the 4 state ballot
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:58 PM
Nov 6

measures that failed (all were NO votes), they had to do with the economy, finance, taxes, or something of that ilk.

https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures

Prop 5 -- Bonds for Affordable Housing and Infrastructure -- 56% NO
It was argued that it would lead to higher Property Taxes because of easier bond debt.
So, many voters voted against it.

Prop 6 -- Forcing Inmates to Work -- 55% NO
No opponents to the Prop were submitted, and it was actually favored by a bi-partisan group
in the state. Yet it failed anyway.

Prop 32 - State Minimum Wage to $18 per hour -- 52% NO
It's opponents were the State Chamber of Commerce, the Restaurant Association,
and the Grocers' Association.
They argued that it was horribly written and deserved to be voted down as a result.
Seems many voters believed them.
It will go to $18 per hour anyway, in a few years, instead of Jan 1, 2025, but it seems many
voters wanted to delay that as much as possible. It was the closest to 50/50 but ultimately
didn't succeed because arguments favoring it were not really coherent.
It needed 51% YES, but got 52% NO instead.

Prop 33 - State Rent Controls -- 61% NO
Opponents said it would "freeze" construction and actually make housing and rent go up
as a result -- a lot of demand for less supply. Even though it would have been prevented by
the ballot measure. Looks like voters believed them though, and voted it down..


All the other state ballot measures were voted YES and included Bonds for Public Schools and Colleges, Water/Wildlife/Climate Change (to help mitigate fire threats and beach erosion), Constitutional Right to Marriage, Restrict Spending of Prescription Drug Revenues by Insurance Companies, Permanent Funding for MediCal (the CALifornia Equivalent of MEDIcare).







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Ain't seen any inflation like that coming...with tariffs and other Trump clan braniac plans....turds... wcmagumba Nov 6 #1
My exact thoughts. "They ain't seen nothin' yet!" LakeArenal Nov 6 #29
Before Trump only Iran and Libya markodochartaigh Nov 6 #42
Are they completely unaware of the economy in other countries? LisaM Nov 6 #2
And he will do it again....... Butterflylady Nov 6 #5
I'm worried that musk wants to cut 2 trillion from the budget. jimfields33 Nov 6 #36
Not rich people. Passages Nov 6 #39
The current deficit is around 2.7 trillion, I think soandso Nov 6 #56
I mean I guess a balanced budget would be ok. But the cuts would have to be drastic I think. jimfields33 Nov 6 #62
Yes, a balanced budget would be a very good thing soandso Nov 6 #64
There are two sides of the ledger: income and spending Martin Eden Nov 7 #68
"Are they completely unaware of the economy in other countries?" Takket Nov 6 #18
Yeah, they're gonna love the tariff-ic economy the Trumpanistas have in store. Pinback Nov 6 #35
it is the best bdamomma Nov 6 #32
Unless there's a foreign hurricane or earthquake, it is easy to forget that there are other countries Jack Valentino Nov 6 #48
re: "Are they completely unaware of the economy in other countries?" thesquanderer Nov 6 #52
Makes sense when you consider Gen-x was the only age group, Jersey Devil Nov 6 #3
Gen X came of age during Reagan unc70 Nov 6 #7
Gen X also elected Obama in 2008 Renew Deal Nov 6 #46
Gen x was the only age group that voted for Trump? WA-03 Democrat Nov 6 #24
Surprises me too - I'm on the older side of Gen X TBF Nov 6 #33
You would go a long way toward supporting those littlemissmartypants Nov 6 #47
It is impossible to counteract the firehouse of bullshit coming from the Trump side. alarimer Nov 6 #4
I heard that Democracy was #1 in the Exit polls malaise Nov 6 #6
Hi malaise! If you go to the link and search for "democracy" you will see some results for this. spooky3 Nov 6 #15
Thanks malaise Nov 6 #16
If the pollsters don't ask markodochartaigh Nov 6 #43
Their anger, dissatisfaction was taken out on the most qualified person for president. Deuxcents Nov 6 #8
Unfortunately most people don't understand economics at all and kerouac2 Nov 6 #9
Plus the base of awful hateful repubs kerouac2 Nov 6 #13
Most people don't know how government works the_liberal_grandpa Nov 6 #61
so they chose a racist convicted felon to make that better for them? bigtree Nov 6 #10
Latinos we're 45 percent of the vote for trump. jimfields33 Nov 6 #37
they weren't 45% of his vote Kali Nov 6 #51
Exactly. I'm sick of the excuses. The problem is glaringly obvious. Both sides do the same kind of gaslighting when it Solomon Nov 7 #66
The biggest factor was PhilosopherKing Nov 6 #11
Call me weird, but I've never believed that POTUS has total control milestogo Nov 6 #12
Research shows you are right. However, I agree with those who have said many voters simply do not spooky3 Nov 6 #14
Don't forget the constant lies from Fox "News". SharonAnn Nov 6 #26
I mentioned Fox in my post. nt spooky3 Nov 6 #27
Trump won the popular vote. I am still trying to process that fact. Passages Nov 6 #17
The Guardian wrote an article on this RJ_MacReady Nov 6 #19
Thank you, very good information. Passages Nov 6 #21
you're welcome RJ_MacReady Nov 6 #23
This is bullshit blaming Biden for rolling back the Child Tax Credit flamingdem Nov 6 #31
The price of their Doritos will certainly climb even higher, Jack Valentino Nov 6 #49
Maybe he did, but maybe not. An probably not by as much as currently thought. onenote Nov 6 #53
I want all the details too, everything so we can assess objectively. Passages Nov 7 #71
Tells me R's rejected potential betterment BadgerKid Nov 6 #20
I'm glad you brought this up, as I have questions... fairfaxvadem Nov 6 #22
Here's a BBC article that provides anecdotes showing how deluded some voters are spooky3 Nov 6 #25
And Trump's tariffs will fix all their problems. tanyev Nov 6 #28
They bitched about inflation while wearing $40 MAGA hats and flying $100 trump flags. LakeArenal Nov 6 #30
Made in China. (nt) Pinback Nov 6 #41
and the price of gas filling up for F350 pickups pstokely Nov 6 #63
Why should i believe an exit poll? All the polls were wrong, mucifer Nov 6 #34
I posted that a few days ago Skittles Nov 6 #40
Because an "exit poll" is strictly raw data, not "adjusted" in any way by the pollster. Jack Valentino Nov 6 #54
republicans will not do ANYTHING to help the average worker Skittles Nov 6 #38
Voters who don't understand the difference between "inflation" and high prices Jack Valentino Nov 6 #44
When people can't recognize something specific in their life they are easily misdirected. Nanjeanne Nov 6 #45
Predatory capitalism caused world wide inflation and Emile Nov 6 #50
The average person doesn't care if the DOW tops 40,000 Orrex Nov 6 #55
Trust me Mr. Scorpio Nov 6 #57
I have no problem with exit polls Bluetus Nov 6 #58
That argument seems to hold. In a "highly progressive" state like CA, the 4 state ballot 4lbs Nov 6 #59
"The economy" is not the same thing as "inflation" Bluetus Nov 6 #60
This has bothered me for a long time. Takket Nov 7 #67
I bet almost all of those "Not so good or poor" responders think the economy is great today despite no change in policy. LonePirate Nov 7 #65
I notice grocery prices up but I also notice very low unemployment... Ysabel Nov 7 #69
Could you imagine? Those on social security jimfields33 Nov 7 #70
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