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MontanaFarmer

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19. I agree with you.

Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:36 AM

Nov 7

We're missing something in the way trump makes working people "feel heard." And it can't be all racism and xenophobia. A lot is rooted there, certainly, but that isn't all of it. I think there's a no-doubt takeaway to be learned from abortion. Social issues are powerful motivators for voters, as issues. But they do not change partisanship. Right leaning women will show up to enshrine abortion, anywhere and everywhere, but our side incorrectly assumed they would also vote for candidates around that principle and they did not. Exhibit A, montana: trump wins 59-38, abortion amendment wins 57-43. I think in some way voting for CI-128 created a mental permission structure to then vote red the rest of the ticket. I think it's crazy too but the stats are what they are.

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Let's face it, Dem voters didn't show up. [View all] Cattledog Nov 7 OP

Doesn't seem to make sense. Long lines everywhere. mobeau69 Nov 7 #1

Many who filled out mail in ballots in 2020 didn't jimfields33 Nov 7 #6

This is exactly it and why Republicans are so bent on making voting hard Trekologer Nov 7 #42

Elon and Putin hacked the tabulators Meadowoak Nov 7 #20

That would take a massive job. Each precinct is only hooked up to their own internet. jimfields33 Nov 7 #43

Apparently the long lines were due to voter suppression... ananda Nov 7 #52

It's the numbers, not the lines. LeftInTX Nov 7 #62

Some of it is voter suppression. yardwork Nov 7 #2

Illinois is living rent free in my head Sympthsical Nov 7 #14

It may not be accurate to assign a coherent reason for this. yardwork Nov 7 #17

I'm going to disagree somewhat Sympthsical Nov 7 #23

I'm going to sit with this a while. yardwork Nov 7 #30

Spot on! Omnipresent Nov 7 #37

This exactly! City Lights Nov 7 #63

according to pundits on msnbc, based on the demographics of this election, the Republican Party is now more the party of Native Nov 7 #26

And given the electoral college Sympthsical Nov 7 #28

Exactly right. And we have to recognize the diversity of Latinos and Black Americans. Native Nov 7 #31

And we have to do a better job of fighting disinformation on social media Native Nov 7 #33

The Republican Party is now the party of the wealthy and the poor. yardwork Nov 7 #29

If Illinois is depressing you stay away from The Queens, Bronx and New Jersey numbers. Jk23 Nov 8 #70

Isn't the governor a democratic politician? I doubt he'd sign off on such rules. jimfields33 Nov 7 #44

The NC state legislature has been controlled by Republicans since 2011. yardwork Nov 7 #47

Don't forget the bomb threats and poll worker abuse. ananda Nov 7 #53

Voter suppression and bullshit shenanigans Dem4life1234 Nov 7 #3

somethings very fishy about the vote count, It doesn't match up. long lines everywhere for 3 weeks, breaking turnout Meadowoak Nov 7 #22

Just what I have been thinking, but who will investigate? rurallib Nov 7 #40

if there is an investigation, it has to be done before trump is inaugurated. Meadowoak Nov 7 #41

Republicans turned out, long lines doesn't mean voting for dems this election FloridaBlues Nov 7 #60

In PA, the vote was a bit higher in 2024 than in 2020. John1956PA Nov 7 #4

What's to explain? Sympthsical Nov 7 #5

"This year was just a regular old election." True Dough Nov 7 #11

Shoulda woulda coulda Sympthsical Nov 7 #15

Well, now we all pay the price True Dough Nov 7 #16

I agree with you. MontanaFarmer Nov 7 #19

It's like people are managing democracy a la carte Sympthsical Nov 7 #27

Apathy... kirby Nov 7 #7

That stat blows my mind. underpants Nov 7 #9

Pretty simple, a lot of conservative zoomers came of age in those rural counties. joshcryer Nov 7 #49

Yeah I guess so. underpants Nov 7 #55

I think many of those 2020 voters might not be into politics much JI7 Nov 7 #8

How do you know that deficit came from Democrats? The obvious decreases I saw via the exit polls were in the following JohnSJ Nov 7 #10

Can you imagine if they get rid of the filibuster and add 4 seats to the Supreme Court and then turn around jimfields33 Nov 7 #45

You bring up an excellent point. They already got rid of the filibuster for confirming SC judges. It makes one pause JohnSJ Nov 7 #48

Decisions are often made emotionally typically with frustration. jimfields33 Nov 7 #57

I wonder how many of them showed up at rallies. duncang Nov 7 #12

BINGO!!!!!!! You literally won the true statement of the day! jimfields33 Nov 7 #46

They did. ColinC Nov 7 #13

Yea, but Trump improved by 19% among Hispanic Men, and 8% among Hispanic Women... SKKY Nov 7 #18

During the Pandemic everyone got a mail in ballot automatically Cattledog Nov 7 #21

... Crepuscular Nov 7 #36

It seems there were 2 topics that Trump glommed onto that stuck: immigration and the economy. Vinca Nov 7 #24

I would also add gender issues pimpbot Nov 7 #34

When I first saw the ad during a break in a oasis Nov 7 #56

Good point. I wish Democrats had pointed out that what Kamala was talking about in that clip Vinca Nov 7 #61

Less than 15% of the population has any college debt. MichMan Nov 7 #65

And those 15% would have a much easier time if AllyCat Nov 8 #68

Where the hell were the "swifties" durablend Nov 7 #25

You have to be 18 to vote pimpbot Nov 7 #32

Young women DID vote for Harris overwhelmingly, probably. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #58

I actually think he'll bottom out and she may creep up over him bigtree Nov 7 #35

Biden won campaigning on a very progressive worker friendly platform. Build Back Better Nanjeanne Nov 7 #38

Troublesome at the end of the campaign... quaint Nov 7 #39

Better to say Russian interference and voter suppression. ananda Nov 7 #50

Voter suppression, purging, Faux pas Nov 7 #51

Zero evidence for machine flipping. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #59

I was just spit balling Faux pas Nov 7 #64

Exactly!! lamp_shade Nov 7 #54

2020 was an asterisk election due to COVID. WarGamer Nov 7 #66

Suppression through social media microtargeting JCMach1 Nov 7 #67

I'm sorry, but this is like Blue_Roses Nov 8 #69