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pat_k

(10,883 posts)
18. From an op ed in Seattle Times today
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:27 PM
Nov 7
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/a-party-of-prigs-and-pontificators-suffers-a-humiliating-defeat/

Some points way off base. A few we should be taking to heart.


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But these mistakes of calculation lived within three larger mistakes of worldview. First, the conviction among many liberals that things were pretty much fine, if not downright great, in Biden’s America — and that anyone who didn’t think that way was either a right-wing misinformer or a dupe. Second, the refusal to see how profoundly distasteful so much of modern liberalism has become to so much of America. Third, the insistence that the only appropriate form of politics when it comes to Trump is the politics of Resistance — capital R.

Regarding the first, I’ve lost track of the number of times liberal pundits have attempted to steer readers to arcane data from the St. Louis Federal Reserve to explain why Americans should stop freaking out over sharply higher prices of consumer goods or the rising financing costs on their homes and cars. Or insisted there was no migration crisis at the southern border. Or averred that Biden was sharp as a tack and that anyone who suggested otherwise was a jerk.

Yet when Americans saw and experienced things otherwise (as extensive survey data showed they did) the characteristic liberal response was to treat the complaints not only as baseless but also as immoral. The effect was to insult voters while leaving Democrats blind to the legitimacy of the issues. You could see this every time Harris mentioned, in answer to questions about the border, that she had prosecuted transnational criminal gangs: Her answer was nonresponsive to the central complaint that there was a migration crisis straining hundreds of communities, irrespective of whether the migrants committed crimes.

The dismissiveness with which liberals treated these concerns was part of something else: dismissiveness toward the moral objections many Americans have to various progressive causes. Concerned about gender transitions for children or about biological males playing on girls’ sports teams? You’re a transphobe. Dismayed by tedious, mandatory and frequently counterproductive diversity, equity and inclusion seminars that treat white skin as almost inherently problematic? You’re racist. Irritated by new terminology that is supposed to be more inclusive but feels as if it’s borrowing a page from “1984”? That’s doubleplusungood.

The Democratic Party at its best stands for fairness and freedom. But the politics of today’s left is heavy on social engineering according to group identity. It also, increasingly, stands for the forcible imposition of bizarre cultural norms on hundreds of millions of Americans who want to live and let live but don’t like being told how to speak or what to think. Too many liberals forgot this, which explains how a figure like Trump, with his boisterous and transgressive disdain for liberal pieties, could be reelected to the presidency.

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Today, the Democrats have become the party of priggishness, pontification and pomposity. It may make them feel righteous, but how’s that ever going to be a winning electoral look?

I voted reluctantly for Harris because of my fears for what a second Trump term might bring — in Ukraine, our trade policy, civic life, the moral health of the conservative movement writ large. Right now, my larger fear is that liberals lack the introspection to see where they went wrong, the discipline to do better next time and the humility to change.

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There is zero chance any legacy media gets a nano second of my time. onecaliberal Nov 7 #1
Are people really that stupid? If so God help us. n/t totodeinhere Nov 7 #2
The answer is yes. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #4
That's a interesting point about the average IQ. BlueKota Nov 7 #56
speaking as a teacher NJCher Nov 7 #85
Wow that's bad BlueKota Nov 7 #92
the super is heading it up but NJCher Nov 7 #93
average IQ of a liberal is 106, while the average IQ of a conservative is 95. Meadowoak Nov 7 #59
wow......you really didn't know??.... Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #15
nice insult!!!!!!!!!!! newdayneeded Nov 8 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author newdayneeded Nov 8 #140
All I know is that my IQ is higher than the average - 100 IQ is the average or mean. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #29
You'd be wrong Fiendish Thingy Nov 7 #51
I do wonder how much is education or lack thereof white_wolf Nov 7 #52
There is, and always has been, a very strong strain of anti-intellectualism niyad Nov 7 #69
I am 127 BlueKota Nov 7 #86
"IQ" is a sloppy and almost GenThePerservering Nov 9 #162
Yes.They.Are. Sailingdiver Nov 7 #39
Belated happy 12th DUnniversary to you. niyad Nov 7 #68
Yes and yes. You need to understand that large segments of our Polly Hennessey Nov 7 #78
You don't have to be stupid not to know those words LeftInTX Nov 7 #88
***YES !!!*** When you're born on 1.5 base you don't have to be smart !! uponit7771 Nov 8 #154
No, it's more about ignorance than stupidity. whathehell Nov 8 #155
I guess tRump knew what he was doing wearing ill-fitting marybourg Nov 7 #3
Oh, he knows his audience like nobody does. TwilightZone Nov 7 #21
That's what con-men excel at. marybourg Nov 7 #23
He actually uses the same methods as a cult leader. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #41
Slight correction. It was a book of hitler's speeches, not "Mein Kampf". niyad Nov 7 #71
You bring up a point that I've often wondered about. Abolishinist Nov 7 #49
Remember George W. Bush and his appeal? kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #30
I think he really marybourg Nov 7 #38
"Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people." J_William_Ryan Nov 7 #5
Good god Rebl2 Nov 7 #6
That's the message I'm getting. TwilightZone Nov 7 #11
I don't think it's meant to be taken that way Sympthsical Nov 8 #125
or keep saying the same thing every 2 or 4 years. Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #19
No, just use simpler language Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #26
Clinton was a master at communicating with the voters. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #44
Yes he was. We should talk like Clinton Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #48
Because he grew up with them in Arkansas Blue_Roses Nov 8 #122
"College professors and lawyers" are real people. Liberal In Texas Nov 7 #28
Thank you snowybirdie Nov 8 #132
You can't discern ANY space for simpler language TheKentuckian Nov 7 #50
Bravo! bovine6 Nov 7 #82
love being told the educated are not REAL PEOPLE Skittles Nov 7 #80
They aren't the only real people. comradebillyboy Nov 8 #156
LOL Skittles Nov 8 #159
Kamala's campaign was geared to a junior high educational level. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #7
I got the same impression. TwilightZone Nov 7 #14
I am a PhD and it was not aimed at me. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #24
7th or 8th grade is pretty much the consensus. TwilightZone Nov 7 #33
The level dropped even lower I think in terms of entertainment. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #46
I have to wonder how much of that is long COVID, Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #53
I noticed it in the 80's. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #61
Thank you Clouds Passing Nov 8 #104
Using YouTube videos as tutorials is not an indicator of intelligence. orange jar Nov 7 #57
Yes it is an indicator of intellectual functioning changes. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #129
There was a comedian Chris Rock maybe BlueKota Nov 7 #70
People no longer appear to have common sense. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #130
It's definitely a different world now BlueKota Nov 8 #134
Yes and it will continue to change until the US is unrecognizable. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #145
There's using language that is geared toward that education level - Ms. Toad Nov 7 #76
It is difficult to talk to people who have experienced decades of propaganda and misinformation. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #127
That's what Bill and Obama did so well. radius777 Nov 8 #152
Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people. 2naSalit Nov 7 #8
"WTF is misogyny?" TwilightZone Nov 7 #9
you really do believe that most people can spell or define that word huh? Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #22
Yep, eye opening! newdayneeded Nov 8 #143
As a matter of curiosity, to which colleges and Ph.D. programs are you niyad Nov 7 #10
o wurd? Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #25
Maybe I'm stupid BOSSHOG Nov 7 #12
Trump said he "loves the poorly educated". We have livetohike Nov 7 #13
Blame the Democratic Party instead of the people who voted for Trump valleyrogue Nov 7 #16
reminds me of the advice for women to avoid rape Skittles Nov 8 #119
It is not Democrats job to ''fix'' them sammythecat Nov 8 #141
WE ALREADY DEAL WITH THEM Skittles Nov 8 #160
Aspirations for higher knowledge.... magicarpet Nov 7 #17
Several years ago I was gobsmacked to realize I was one of the hated "elites" ... Hekate Nov 8 #100
My dad bought me Encyclopidia Brintannica too proud patriot Nov 8 #105
OK, I give up. What is PITA? sammythecat Nov 8 #131
Pain In The Ass MichMan Nov 8 #135
Thanks n/t sammythecat Nov 8 #142
From an op ed in Seattle Times today pat_k Nov 7 #18
Could not agree more with the op-ed. orange jar Nov 7 #37
The humility to change mountain grammy Nov 7 #54
Maybe peachpit24 Nov 7 #60
I didn't see anything there worth praising. Ferrets are Cool Nov 7 #67
Just looked at his bio. .conservative. And, "prigs and pontificators" niyad Nov 7 #77
Of course he is. He's a Republican for Harris. pat_k Nov 7 #90
As they, Rs, do a lousy job of listening to us as human beings with human concerns. Clouds Passing Nov 8 #107
Braver Angels workshops. I highly recommend. pat_k Nov 8 #110
once again Skittles Nov 8 #98
Nothing pat_k Nov 8 #108
when the GOP gets what they want Skittles Nov 8 #111
I sure hope the "bottom" isn't that low. pat_k Nov 8 #115
THEY LITERALLY SPELLED IT OUT IN PROJECT 2025 Skittles Nov 8 #116
Of course. pat_k Nov 8 #117
I'm not sure if they are reachable Skittles Nov 8 #118
You may be right. pat_k Nov 8 #121
why is it always US who has to amend their behavior Skittles Nov 8 #123
Because we want to find ways to move forward. pat_k Nov 8 #148
Spot on. dalton99a Nov 8 #137
That's an excellent observation. And to highlight your point, that very thing is what made Clinton... SKKY Nov 7 #20
We can't all have the accomplishments of Bill Clinton. He was, marybourg Nov 7 #36
The right wing owns all the microphones. hadEnuf Nov 7 #27
College professors and lawyers are people, too. Sparkly Nov 7 #31
They're already voting for Democrats. BannonsLiver Nov 7 #81
There lies the rub. He is right as are all the responses. cachukis Nov 7 #32
Nobody ever tells those dumbasses... Dem4life1234 Nov 7 #34
Nor do they B.See Nov 7 #47
We are real people, thank you. In a moment of synchronicity though, our grandson ... Hekate Nov 7 #35
bless your heart Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #42
I love that. Sparkly Nov 7 #45
I had a high-school English teacher BlueKota Nov 7 #65
It used to take my teachers in junior and senior high a bit of time to niyad Nov 7 #75
Yes, I agree. Also..... pdxflyboy Nov 7 #40
I am a real person. Didn't realize I needed a CAPTCHA when speaking. Who knew? Solly Mack Nov 7 #43
I've noticed they like simple soloutions white_wolf Nov 7 #55
Yep. Dems need to dumb everything down to 1st grade level to match the CousinIT Nov 7 #58
Only if they want to win elections it seems. Fish700 Nov 7 #62
***Raises hand tentatively **** Prairie Gates Nov 7 #63
So many seem to forget that VP Harris was dropped into an... brush Nov 7 #64
I don't see the OP as being critical of Harris. It's about messaging in general. live love laugh Nov 7 #91
Still, messaging over a two-year campaign vs a three month and a few days campaign... brush Nov 8 #109
I'm not dumbing myself down for some magat. Ferrets are Cool Nov 7 #66
I saw something about trump speaking at a 4th grade level ecstatic Nov 7 #72
HE SPEAKS ABSOLUTE GIBBERISH Skittles Nov 8 #112
Also: How did President Obama succeed? I don't think he dumbed things down ecstatic Nov 7 #73
If you don't know what cis gendered is choie Nov 7 #74
Which goes to his point.... dropouts are not going to look anything up. live love laugh Nov 7 #89
and we need to be like that to appeal to them? Skittles Nov 8 #124
I'm appalled at the state of de-education but it's "a thing." live love laugh Nov 8 #128
HELLO Skittles Nov 7 #79
EXACTLY!!! niyad Nov 7 #84
Second that Clouds Passing Nov 8 #144
No. Democrats speak like normal people with normal educations. The 'real' people you refer to are the ancianita Nov 7 #83
I get your point... oldsoldierfadingfast Nov 7 #87
Well that hit a nerve KentuckyWoman Nov 7 #94
I never thought I'd see the day where DUers defined what REAL PEOPLE are Skittles Nov 8 #96
No it is not too much KentuckyWoman Nov 8 #150
I've read that 54% of Americans read below a 6th grade level. NoMoreRepugs Nov 7 #95
We've got to remember... ECL213 Nov 8 #97
I never get tired of this. Watching Gene Wilder's eye movements, just classic. Abolishinist Nov 8 #99
Best ever. I will love that scene forever. 💕💕💕 Just what I needed tonight. Hekate Nov 8 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 8 #102
Interesting proud patriot Nov 8 #103
I don't think those shows are a fair comparison with Fox Lulu KC Nov 8 #106
Why all the pessimism? We lost a three month and a few days campaign vs a two-year one. brush Nov 8 #113
TV is geared for an 11 year old vocabulary lindysalsagal Nov 8 #114
Immigrants who voted for trump, said the like how he speaks frankly Demovictory9 Nov 8 #120
I thought about "narcissist" vs. "egomaniac" GreenWave Nov 8 #126
Agreed 100% oldreliable_one Nov 8 #133
Trump ran on identity politics though. He ran on "revenge" against people who held *him* accountable ck4829 Nov 8 #136
So Tim Walz didn't quite do it for you, right? Lulu KC Nov 8 #158
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 9 #161
Counterpoint. Confusing words are not why we lost. What is "Woke"? What is "Communism"? What is "Transgender"? ck4829 Nov 8 #138
Don't forget Critical Race Theory and DEI tulipsandroses Nov 8 #157
Ivy League Grads on Trump's Team. SupportSanity Nov 8 #146
maybe if we tried playing nice, reach across the isle once and awhile. maybe buy them lunch or something. Hotler Nov 8 #147
Great post! gulliver Nov 8 #149
Jimmy Kimmel SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #151
regarding "real people" Quiet Em Nov 8 #153
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