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In reply to the discussion: And ANOTHER reason we Democrats lost and will continue to lose [View all]pat_k
(10,883 posts)18. From an op ed in Seattle Times today
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/a-party-of-prigs-and-pontificators-suffers-a-humiliating-defeat/
Some points way off base. A few we should be taking to heart.
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But these mistakes of calculation lived within three larger mistakes of worldview. First, the conviction among many liberals that things were pretty much fine, if not downright great, in Bidens America and that anyone who didnt think that way was either a right-wing misinformer or a dupe. Second, the refusal to see how profoundly distasteful so much of modern liberalism has become to so much of America. Third, the insistence that the only appropriate form of politics when it comes to Trump is the politics of Resistance capital R.
Regarding the first, Ive lost track of the number of times liberal pundits have attempted to steer readers to arcane data from the St. Louis Federal Reserve to explain why Americans should stop freaking out over sharply higher prices of consumer goods or the rising financing costs on their homes and cars. Or insisted there was no migration crisis at the southern border. Or averred that Biden was sharp as a tack and that anyone who suggested otherwise was a jerk.
Yet when Americans saw and experienced things otherwise (as extensive survey data showed they did) the characteristic liberal response was to treat the complaints not only as baseless but also as immoral. The effect was to insult voters while leaving Democrats blind to the legitimacy of the issues. You could see this every time Harris mentioned, in answer to questions about the border, that she had prosecuted transnational criminal gangs: Her answer was nonresponsive to the central complaint that there was a migration crisis straining hundreds of communities, irrespective of whether the migrants committed crimes.
The dismissiveness with which liberals treated these concerns was part of something else: dismissiveness toward the moral objections many Americans have to various progressive causes. Concerned about gender transitions for children or about biological males playing on girls sports teams? Youre a transphobe. Dismayed by tedious, mandatory and frequently counterproductive diversity, equity and inclusion seminars that treat white skin as almost inherently problematic? Youre racist. Irritated by new terminology that is supposed to be more inclusive but feels as if its borrowing a page from 1984? Thats doubleplusungood.
The Democratic Party at its best stands for fairness and freedom. But the politics of todays left is heavy on social engineering according to group identity. It also, increasingly, stands for the forcible imposition of bizarre cultural norms on hundreds of millions of Americans who want to live and let live but dont like being told how to speak or what to think. Too many liberals forgot this, which explains how a figure like Trump, with his boisterous and transgressive disdain for liberal pieties, could be reelected to the presidency.
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Today, the Democrats have become the party of priggishness, pontification and pomposity. It may make them feel righteous, but hows that ever going to be a winning electoral look?
I voted reluctantly for Harris because of my fears for what a second Trump term might bring in Ukraine, our trade policy, civic life, the moral health of the conservative movement writ large. Right now, my larger fear is that liberals lack the introspection to see where they went wrong, the discipline to do better next time and the humility to change.
Some points way off base. A few we should be taking to heart.
....
But these mistakes of calculation lived within three larger mistakes of worldview. First, the conviction among many liberals that things were pretty much fine, if not downright great, in Bidens America and that anyone who didnt think that way was either a right-wing misinformer or a dupe. Second, the refusal to see how profoundly distasteful so much of modern liberalism has become to so much of America. Third, the insistence that the only appropriate form of politics when it comes to Trump is the politics of Resistance capital R.
Regarding the first, Ive lost track of the number of times liberal pundits have attempted to steer readers to arcane data from the St. Louis Federal Reserve to explain why Americans should stop freaking out over sharply higher prices of consumer goods or the rising financing costs on their homes and cars. Or insisted there was no migration crisis at the southern border. Or averred that Biden was sharp as a tack and that anyone who suggested otherwise was a jerk.
Yet when Americans saw and experienced things otherwise (as extensive survey data showed they did) the characteristic liberal response was to treat the complaints not only as baseless but also as immoral. The effect was to insult voters while leaving Democrats blind to the legitimacy of the issues. You could see this every time Harris mentioned, in answer to questions about the border, that she had prosecuted transnational criminal gangs: Her answer was nonresponsive to the central complaint that there was a migration crisis straining hundreds of communities, irrespective of whether the migrants committed crimes.
The dismissiveness with which liberals treated these concerns was part of something else: dismissiveness toward the moral objections many Americans have to various progressive causes. Concerned about gender transitions for children or about biological males playing on girls sports teams? Youre a transphobe. Dismayed by tedious, mandatory and frequently counterproductive diversity, equity and inclusion seminars that treat white skin as almost inherently problematic? Youre racist. Irritated by new terminology that is supposed to be more inclusive but feels as if its borrowing a page from 1984? Thats doubleplusungood.
The Democratic Party at its best stands for fairness and freedom. But the politics of todays left is heavy on social engineering according to group identity. It also, increasingly, stands for the forcible imposition of bizarre cultural norms on hundreds of millions of Americans who want to live and let live but dont like being told how to speak or what to think. Too many liberals forgot this, which explains how a figure like Trump, with his boisterous and transgressive disdain for liberal pieties, could be reelected to the presidency.
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Today, the Democrats have become the party of priggishness, pontification and pomposity. It may make them feel righteous, but hows that ever going to be a winning electoral look?
I voted reluctantly for Harris because of my fears for what a second Trump term might bring in Ukraine, our trade policy, civic life, the moral health of the conservative movement writ large. Right now, my larger fear is that liberals lack the introspection to see where they went wrong, the discipline to do better next time and the humility to change.
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All I know is that my IQ is higher than the average - 100 IQ is the average or mean.
kerry-is-my-prez
Nov 7
#29
"Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people."
J_William_Ryan
Nov 7
#5
It is difficult to talk to people who have experienced decades of propaganda and misinformation.
Irish_Dem
Nov 8
#127
As they, Rs, do a lousy job of listening to us as human beings with human concerns.
Clouds Passing
Nov 8
#107
That's an excellent observation. And to highlight your point, that very thing is what made Clinton...
SKKY
Nov 7
#20
We are real people, thank you. In a moment of synchronicity though, our grandson ...
Hekate
Nov 7
#35
I don't see the OP as being critical of Harris. It's about messaging in general.
live love laugh
Nov 7
#91
Still, messaging over a two-year campaign vs a three month and a few days campaign...
brush
Nov 8
#109
No. Democrats speak like normal people with normal educations. The 'real' people you refer to are the
ancianita
Nov 7
#83
I never get tired of this. Watching Gene Wilder's eye movements, just classic.
Abolishinist
Nov 8
#99
Why all the pessimism? We lost a three month and a few days campaign vs a two-year one.
brush
Nov 8
#113
Trump ran on identity politics though. He ran on "revenge" against people who held *him* accountable
ck4829
Nov 8
#136
Counterpoint. Confusing words are not why we lost. What is "Woke"? What is "Communism"? What is "Transgender"?
ck4829
Nov 8
#138