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Silver Gaia

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107. THANK YOU! You are absolutely correct!

Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:51 PM

Nov 7

I've been teaching (preaching to?) college students for years now about algorithm bubbles and the role they play in the spread of misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda. In fact, I will be on that topic in about 3 weeks. Now I am inspired to step it up, find new research, and revamp my lectures. YOU are so right. Thank you for the reminder in the midst of my grief. I needed that.

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Add my "what went wrong" take to the pile [View all] EarlG Nov 7 OP

Sometimes you gotta hit rock bottom JoseBalow Nov 7 #1

Sometimes you lose the patient. IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 7 #3

Quite true JoseBalow Nov 7 #4

This felt more like a death knell than rock bottom. Initech Nov 7 #47

I'm having an epiphany ... rebirth not hate LSparkle Nov 8 #161

Usually after a plague, there's a period of enlightenment. Initech Nov 8 #163

Like Nazi Germany gerryatwork Nov 7 #101

Thank you. FWIW, I completely agree. NewHendoLib Nov 7 #2

Agree completely. Here is Rove(?) spelling it out explicitly 20 years ago. dgauss Nov 7 #5

Rove was also author Redmap, the Republican Party plan to use gerrymandering for permanent control of government. Lonestarblue Nov 7 #64

Let's not forget Rove's involment in Bush 2000 election theft. GoreWon2000 Nov 7 #79

And John Roberts, Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett too Attilatheblond Nov 8 #137

It's called a quid pro quo GoreWon2000 Nov 9 #164

Well...that was scary as hell. BComplex Nov 7 #106

I definitely agree that curated spaces and echo chambers have contributed to her loss. orange jar Nov 7 #6

& it's reached almost insurmountable proportions. According to canvassers, the misinformation this election was insane, Native Nov 7 #18

Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. orange jar Nov 7 #24

Agreed... just to add WarGamer Nov 7 #7

I don't know about that. A lot of people are saying it's pandered too much to the left/progressives of the party. Native Nov 7 #29

This old white lady watches football mnhtnbb Nov 7 #57

I would like examples of how the Dem party has pandered to the left - TBF Nov 7 #89

sure, i cant remember them all, but one for sure that was mentioned was the transgender surgeries for inmates. Native Nov 7 #93

She REALLY should have hit-back on the transgender "prison surgery" thing, Jack Valentino Nov 8 #134

But it's not true. summer_in_TX Nov 8 #114

then explain blue collar America leaving the Party? WarGamer Nov 8 #118

When Biden made sure they got COVID relief funds, he should have put his name on it like Trump did. summer_in_TX Nov 8 #119

Trump didn't go after these folks... he had them Jack Bone Nov 8 #121

Those differences in voting by income are all small. It's not a big factor. muriel_volestrangler Nov 8 #123

I think the income voting differences are mostly related to education (which trends to result in higher income), deurbano Nov 8 #145

Saw an article this morning (sorry don't remember where) that said Tadpole Raisin Nov 8 #127

The signs were there. Biden has been a great president. The economy is doing great. Yet most people don't agree. Doodley Nov 7 #8

Do you think Trump's assassination attempt(s) ultimately helped him? orange jar Nov 7 #11

I'm sure it did. It was an important part of their campaign. Our household of two received a dozen direct mail Doodley Nov 7 #15

And people bought into it...... Butterflylady Nov 7 #25

I remember a Dem Operative at the time MustLoveBeagles Nov 7 #48

If a supernatural being saved Trump from death, it was LUCIFER and not God. Jack Valentino Nov 8 #136

No! Rebl2 Nov 7 #32

It didn't ForgedCrank Nov 7 #45

it definitely solidified GOP support for him LymphocyteLover Nov 8 #126

And yet, the Dems didn't continually publish the positive news, buy ads, etc. That's on us. SharonAnn Nov 7 #17

You probably didn't see them dickthegrouch Nov 7 #98

There's no question that's part of it. returnee Nov 7 #9

It's the conspiracy theories LeftInTX Nov 7 #12

Good point. Trump maximized the racist, homophobic, transphobic, mysogynist vote. Kamala had to overcome that. Doodley Nov 7 #13

❤️ littlemissmartypants Nov 7 #10

Really good thoughts Johnny2X2X Nov 7 #14

Along those same lines people expected prices to actually drop to pre-Covid levels groundloop Nov 7 #38

Prices *are* higher than they were 4 years ago intrepidity Nov 8 #157

Finally, someone explaining how targeting works. We're an old group and very defensive to boot. Explanations like this Native Nov 7 #16

If no one's told you lately that you're a genius, EarlG, elbow them in the ribs (gently but definitely). jaxexpat Nov 7 #19

Dems needs to match the right's online media ecosystem. TRHST82 Nov 7 #20

Hope our record with talk radio isn't an indicator KPN Nov 7 #36

It is the perfect indicator intrepidity Nov 8 #158

Buyer's remorse will set in for a lot of people. ananda Nov 7 #21

I disagree. There will never be a free and fair election n/t Vogon_Glory Nov 8 #151

That's already the case for this election. ananda Nov 8 #162

And this algorithmic messaging is now automated and will grow and learn erronis Nov 7 #22

A piece of the loss, yes. I agree with you on that. Passages Nov 7 #23

Has DU become its own bubble? leftstreet Nov 7 #26

DU has always been a bubble! EarlG Nov 7 #58

I should have refreshed before posting. haha TwilightZone Nov 7 #66

Lol true enough leftstreet Nov 7 #69

I do agree that it's good to get multiple perspectives on issues sometimes COL Mustard Nov 7 #72

With a notable exception for the Vance couch thing unblock Nov 7 #77

No. LarryNM Nov 8 #142

Earl, what about a small siloed section of DU where the rules are relaxed somewhat? intrepidity Nov 8 #160

DU has always been its own bubble. TwilightZone Nov 7 #65

All places are bubbles to some extent jfz9580m Nov 7 #105

+1 leftstreet Nov 7 #108

Thank you for reading leftstreet :).nt jfz9580m Nov 7 #110

the creators of AI KT2000 Nov 7 #27

I don't know Dem4life1234 Nov 7 #28

He gained DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 7 #39

It makes a bit of sense for first time voters under 25 Trekologer Nov 7 #88

Confirmation bias can be a dangerous thing Ocelot II Nov 7 #30

"misinformation peddled on an industrial scale" BoRaGard Nov 7 #31

We just got some stunning family news from some in-laws: almost the whole younger gen voted Trump Hekate Nov 7 #33

Did they say why? yardwork Nov 7 #35

i heard today (either from one of the shows on wcpt orleans Nov 7 #61

??! Sparkly Nov 7 #97

they're taking their masks off and showing what they really are nt orleans Nov 7 #103

This is what blows my mind mnhtnbb Nov 7 #62

They didn't care he's an Ajudicate Rapist 34 Counts a Felon.. a Convicted Fraud Cha Nov 7 #112

Gen Z follows Barron Trump and podcasters Maggiemayhem Nov 8 #131

I'm still looking at the returns and I tend to agree... yardwork Nov 7 #34

Right wing radio and trumps own rants Artistree22 Nov 7 #37

At this point, it's more RW podcasting and streaming Algernon Moncrieff Nov 7 #60

Never imagine you're alone in this sort of soul-searching Emrys Nov 7 #40

Precisely this: geniph Nov 7 #68

Thank you for your post LittleGirl Nov 8 #141

You're very welcome Emrys Nov 8 #143

As soon as Brexit was determined LittleGirl Nov 8 #149

Well said especially this .... live love laugh Nov 7 #41

AI has enhanced the methods of mind control for profit bucolic_frolic Nov 7 #42

"people's opinions were already baked in" BumRushDaShow Nov 7 #43

Thanks! It's very cathartic to read this analysis. Mike 03 Nov 7 #44

"The playbook is 100 years old but the technology is brand new." dgauss Nov 7 #111

My Wife and I have been discussing this exactly as you have described for a couple of days now. I agree completely with marked50 Nov 7 #46

The TOP (Trump's Oleaginous Party) can't help but fuck with Social Security and Obamacare. LudwigPastorius Nov 7 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Ursus Arctos Nov 7 #55

100% agree until last point Cosmocat Nov 7 #50

Ah This explains Peter Theil and the Silicon Valley Divas bronxiteforever Nov 7 #51

One thing the democrats absolutely have to stop with: Initech Nov 7 #52

Thank you so much, EarlG, for explaining that so thoroughly. We have all seen it niyad Nov 7 #53

I agree with your analysis. I still believe that racism and sexism played a role but so did social media tulipsandroses Nov 7 #54

There will be midterms? Algernon Moncrieff Nov 7 #56

For me, to break through the information bubble, it came down to critical thinking (education) ffr Nov 7 #59

Here's what I don't understand anobserver2 Nov 7 #63

I am certain they knew genxlib Nov 8 #135

This is 1000% the message I have been spouting for years. genxlib Nov 8 #138

Resetting the playing field must become resetting the battlefield. Jit423 Nov 7 #67

Words ... matter Metaphorical Nov 7 #70

The difference? Aussie105 Nov 7 #71

A big shocking event, a meteor hitting Earth seems about right BigmanPigman Nov 7 #73

Russia perfected this under Stalin! cilla4progress Nov 7 #74

Uncle Smart Ass Uncle Smart Ass Nov 7 #75

I'm hearing this over and over from party folks, AllyCat Nov 7 #76

I agree that buyer's remorse is going to set in quickly Dem4life1970 Nov 7 #78

Mark Zuckerberg too IbogaProject Nov 7 #80

I agree with what you're saying. GoreWon2000 Nov 7 #81

This is a symptom not the problem Fearless Nov 7 #82

Thanks - I agree. Pinback Nov 7 #83

That is Linda ladeewolf Nov 7 #84

I agree, EarlG. I've seen discussions of this on Twitter. From Asha Rangappa this morning: highplainsdem Nov 7 #85

Hmm. I have a quibble with how you're presenting your point. love_katz Nov 7 #86

Thought-provoking OP. I still think we've got a lot of folks who just won't vote for a woman, TBF Nov 7 #87

Misinformation peddled on an industrial scale. DeeDeeNY Nov 7 #90

Agree with everything you said EarlG jfz9580m Nov 7 #91

Good food for thought. Sparkly Nov 7 #92

So, what we really need is a bigger blowhorn.... Hugin Nov 7 #94

Inadequate messaging has been our issue for years now. SunSeeker Nov 7 #95

He will fuck up on a grand scale before the mid terms orangecrush Nov 7 #96

Bubbles suck The Mouth Nov 7 #99

Our reality: Living inside a conspiracy theory. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 7 #100

You are very correct about the algorithms moniss Nov 7 #102

I sure remember those times Ligyron Nov 8 #133

Yes indeed and a great movie from that time and moniss Nov 8 #153

If only Kamala had done what Trump did. Aussie105 Nov 7 #104

THANK YOU! You are absolutely correct! Silver Gaia Nov 7 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 7 #109

What I keep hearing from trump voters proud patriot Nov 8 #113

My area (DMV) is receiving racist text messages Maggiemayhem Nov 8 #132

how long before repukes crash the economy? Skittles Nov 8 #115

Read a great thread by a Brit about the analogies to Brexit on Twitter today. summer_in_TX Nov 8 #116

The incremental, stealth takeover by oligarchs is now open and in its final race to the finish line. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 8 #117

On Saturday This American Life ran a segment called mahina Nov 8 #120

Why are we accepting the results? Roxi Nov 8 #122

All incumbents across the world have lost vote share. The Biden to Harris loss was one of the smallest. muriel_volestrangler Nov 8 #124

"Algorithmic microtargeting". Yes. The microtargeting supports Inconsistent views and helps to dissuade real-life convos lostnfound Nov 8 #125

Agreed. You will never convince me Ruby the Liberal Nov 8 #128

When I worked construction... MiHale Nov 8 #129

Kamala is a woman get the red out Nov 8 #130

That could be it. FM123 Nov 8 #155

If buyer's remorse doesn't set in over the next 4 years for a significant number of people who voted for Trump, Martin68 Nov 8 #139

People here keep thinking we'll have free and fair elections that will be winnable in 2026 and 2028. Efilroft Sul Nov 8 #140

Trump said it. "You'll never have to vote again". ratchiweenie Nov 8 #144

We're in for scary times, and the old rules -- the old laws -- won't necessarily be applicable any more. Efilroft Sul Nov 8 #147

Excellent analysis Felicita Nov 8 #146

YES. We hit 1% with volunteers once in 6 months. They hit 90% twice a day -- at least. Festivito Nov 8 #148

Mis and disinformation coupled with lack of perspective is huge. But this was a change election. andym Nov 8 #150

A tech perspective. Great points. It seems like an application of the Facebook effect in 2016 underpants Nov 8 #152

You're one smart guy. defacto7 Nov 8 #154

I need to add to that comment ... defacto7 Nov 8 #159

People almost always bleme the Executive branch for their troubles and complaints. Ping Tung Nov 8 #156

I just had a technician tell me Trump would stop the wars because he was strong True Blue American Nov 20 #165