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43. Because it wasn't obvious that he should then. A Biden-Trump rematch seemed like anyone's guess

Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:38 AM

Nov 8

Two unpopular people going against each other, the winner seemed like a coin flip. You didn't know whether it be heads or tails. It could have been anyone's guess. Maybe Joe Biden could win, maybe not.

The economic polling wasn't good, everyone hating inflation, Joe's approval numbers also not good... but the general feeling was that if Joe Biden had an even shot against anyone, it would be Trump. Everyone was pretty certain Trump would be their nominee.

I'm sure you know the political norm like I do that you don't push aside your incumbent so everyone steered clear and left it up to him.

The Party didn't pressure him until it became super clear it seemed like Joe Biden would lose against the other unpopular guy. It didn't become obvious that he should step aside until it was too late.

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Why George Clooney Is Facing Major Backlash From Fans About Presidential Election [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 7 OP

Damn them, damn them all BluenFLA Nov 7 #1

Me too XanaDUer2 Nov 7 #3

Me three. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 8 #57

I doubt he would have won. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #4

I don't think there were any poll numbers showing that Kamala would do any better. LisaL Nov 8 #32

Sigh...And If Biden lost, we'd asking if we should have gone the other way. No one knows. RoeVWade Nov 8 #97

Nope. progressoid Nov 7 #9

My feelings exactly. LisaL Nov 8 #20

He should have convinced Biden to not run at all dansolo Nov 13 #118

I feel pretty confident that Biden wouldn't have won the election Dorian Gray Nov 8 #60

I agree. I think he would have lost by more. CrispyQ Nov 9 #109

I actually still think that's true Deminpenn Nov 8 #62

I didn't want him pushed out happy feet Nov 8 #78

if you can, watch the 1st segment of Nicole Wallace's show yesterday, Matthew Dowd made an excellent point Native Nov 8 #80

I thought it was horrible how they pushed Joe out, tanyev Nov 8 #89

I totally agree. bif Nov 9 #113

We can make a pretty good guess based on his really low approval ratings. AkFemDem Nov 8 #85

Well, as much as I've always loved Clooney, it is hard not to feel conflicted... hlthe2b Nov 7 #2

It was stupid. It was too late to change course. LisaL Nov 8 #21

Look at Joe Biden's approval numbers, then look at how voters view Trump. Biden has been light years better than Trump. Doodley Nov 7 #5

Biden's favorability ratings haven't hit 50 percent since 2021. onenote Nov 8 #19

I was ready to send Clooney Deep State Witch Nov 7 #6

He was trying to save this country. Sorry - but he was right. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #7

Right? LisaL Nov 8 #24

Yes he was right, its pretty obvious AkFemDem Nov 8 #87

How do you think.. whathehell Nov 9 #101

of course he was Skittles Nov 8 #48

Age and public appearance fucked Joe Biden. SharonClark Nov 7 #11

Why didn't age and public appearance fuck Trump? LisaL Nov 8 #23

because he is a repuke Skittles Nov 8 #49

Because NOTHING sticks to Trump Dorian Gray Nov 8 #61

I believe the inflation factor is missing from your list True Dough Nov 8 #56

Nancy P. had a hand in it. CentralMass Nov 8 #39

President Biden had a 39% to 41% approval rating in exit polls. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 7 #8

What is Trump's rating? LisaL Nov 8 #27

"Major backlash" by social media idiots? SharonClark Nov 7 #10

Of course Clooney doesn't care. LisaL Nov 8 #22

Biden runs in 2016 kwolf68 Nov 7 #12

He was also mourning the loss of his son Beau Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 7 #14

I agree. Full stop. I thought Joe Biden would have ran in 2016. In It to Win It Nov 8 #52

The odds were against either Biden or Clinton in 2016 MichMan Nov 8 #88

The backlash against Clonoey is deserved regardless of Biden's approval rating standingtall Nov 7 #13

👆 CentralMass Nov 8 #36

I Agreed With Clooney Florida Dem Nov 8 #15

So why didn't he pen a similar Op-Ed about Trump? LisaM Nov 8 #55

Maybe he should have asked a year ago pstokely Nov 8 #16

Bingo newdeal2 Nov 8 #17

Maybe all of us should have asked a year ago too In It to Win It Nov 8 #28

THIS soandso Nov 8 #53

I didn't like what he did but Biden would have lost by more JI7 Nov 8 #18

Biden wouldn't have lost by more. LisaL Nov 8 #25

He would have lost by less In It to Win It Nov 8 #26

Well I guess we will never know. LisaL Nov 8 #29

Running an unpopular candidate, which he was (unfairly and undeservingly), was also stupid In It to Win It Nov 8 #31

What was Trump's approval rating? LisaL Nov 8 #33

I imagine they were also bad because Trump never had good approval numbers but Trump was not our candidate. In It to Win It Nov 8 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Elessar Zappa Nov 8 #30

Did you see Biden on the Campaign trail in the last few weeks? Jk23 Nov 8 #91

Honestly flvegan Nov 8 #35

It was Joe Biden's decision. The party couldn't make Joe Biden step aside. In It to Win It Nov 8 #37

Party demanding him to step aside forced him to do it. LisaL Nov 8 #38

Because it wasn't obvious that he should then. A Biden-Trump rematch seemed like anyone's guess In It to Win It Nov 8 #43

And what was pushing him out so late in a game going to accomplish? LisaL Nov 8 #45

The same that keeping him would have accomplished, a loss. In It to Win It Nov 8 #47

Lisa, he obviously wasn't fit for this Dorian Gray Nov 8 #63

Is Trump fit for this? LisaL Nov 8 #66

Of course not Dorian Gray Nov 9 #99

Why do Trump voters think he is fit for this? LisaL Nov 9 #108

I don't know why Trump voters think he's fit for this Dorian Gray Nov 13 #117

Reality or "vibes?" emulatorloo Nov 9 #115

Reality Dorian Gray Nov 13 #116

Article: Pelosi demonstrated the art of her power by pushing Biden out CentralMass Nov 8 #41

The ultimate irony. Democrats were afraid that Biden would lose and take down the House with him, LisaL Nov 8 #44

Well 2020 was an emergency sunnybrook Nov 8 #54

I truly don't see how any reasonable person saw a man up to a vigorous campaign. TheKentuckian Nov 8 #40

When people look at Trump, do they see a man up to a vigorous campaign? LisaL Nov 8 #42

You keep repeating this AZSkiffyGeek Nov 8 #77

Because it pisses me off that all these rules only apply to one side. LisaL Nov 8 #81

Ask Republicans AZSkiffyGeek Nov 8 #82

I don't need to ask Republicans. LisaL Nov 8 #86

Hell no! Chump was unfit as a baseline and now he is falling apart from that unacceptable state TheKentuckian Nov 8 #93

I'd like Clooney, Rob Reiner, Pelosi and whoever else Hassler Nov 8 #46

Exactly that was part of the justification for forcing standingtall Nov 8 #64

My feelings exactly. LisaL Nov 8 #69

Why should anyone listen to an actor exboyfil Nov 8 #50

I have to wonder who the millions of Dems were that stayed home voris820 Nov 8 #51

About 100 million eligible voters couldn't be bothered to vote. The country is getting exactly what it deserves, and it JohnSJ Nov 8 #59

It wouldn't have mattered. After the disastrous debate President Biden's fate was sealed. The press would never had JohnSJ Nov 8 #58

There were so many things that Trump has done, LisaL Nov 8 #65

that spin only works for republicans. JohnSJ Nov 8 #67

Maybe we should learn how to make spin work for us. LisaL Nov 8 #68

I don't think it would work with the current media frenzy. They were so focused on Biden's "cognitive abilities", while JohnSJ Nov 8 #71

I blame media for this debacle as well. LisaL Nov 8 #72

I agree. They did the same thing against Hillary. I can't remember the exact numbers but the number of negative JohnSJ Nov 8 #73

He's getting his tax cuts RandiFan1290 Nov 8 #70

I would blame the donors more than Clooney, it was them that forced Joe out. Mr. Sparkle Nov 8 #74

George Clooney is a smug asshole SADAR Nov 8 #75

It will pass................. Lovie777 Nov 8 #76

Clooney is just another snake like Stephanopolous. live love laugh Nov 8 #79

If anything this election demonstrated our side also has a problem with donors BluenFLA Nov 8 #83

And neither Tester nor Brown benefited from Biden dropping out. LisaL Nov 8 #84

Seriously what did he do wrong Jk23 Nov 9 #100

Trump appeared "naked" on television day in and day out, but did you hear republican party pointing it out? LisaL Nov 9 #105

It started with James Carville. After the debate he called dem donors and told them to withhold money for Biden. ellemb Nov 8 #90

And EauClare Mac Catskill smearing him immediately after the debate. Clouds Passing Nov 9 #104

The biggest reason Harris lost was because voters associated her with an unpopular incumbent President Jose Garcia Nov 8 #92

I don't think that's the biggest reason that Harris lost. LisaL Nov 9 #103

Clooney is a dumbass now... Ysabel Nov 8 #94

Clooney is mega rich XanaDUer2 Nov 8 #95

We know. LisaL Nov 9 #106

Exactly XanaDUer2 Nov 9 #107

The debate PennRalphie Nov 8 #96

I don't CARE if some people think he was right. I STILL HATE HIM. Jack Valentino Nov 8 #98

Yep. Both senators lost spectacularly. LisaL Nov 9 #102

Democratic leadership knew that Biden was in declining both in the polls and in his sharpness Clouds Passing Nov 9 #110

Were/are they really fans or are they people just bitching ? republianmushroom Nov 9 #111

It doesn't matter. Emile Nov 9 #112

Clooney and Pelosi deserve criticism kansasobama Nov 9 #114

He did the right thing. What Pelosi is pointing to and in a very public Passages Nov 13 #119