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138. Counterpoint. Confusing words are not why we lost. What is "Woke"? What is "Communism"? What is "Transgender"?

Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:57 AM

Nov 8

Republicans struggle to define those words, but they didn't lose.

I guarantee you, if you stand in front of WalMart and ask 100 people to define the word "woke", you will get 100 very different definitions.

You say "cis-gender", but I'm pretty sure I've heard the word "transgender" by Republicans these past few months more times than by anyone else these past 5 years.

But, you know, get your scapegoats and throw the people you don't like to the wolves.

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And ANOTHER reason we Democrats lost and will continue to lose [View all] AverageOldGuy Nov 7 OP

There is zero chance any legacy media gets a nano second of my time. onecaliberal Nov 7 #1

Are people really that stupid? If so God help us. n/t totodeinhere Nov 7 #2

The answer is yes. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #4

That's a interesting point about the average IQ. BlueKota Nov 7 #56

speaking as a teacher NJCher Nov 7 #85

Wow that's bad BlueKota Nov 7 #92

the super is heading it up but NJCher Nov 7 #93

average IQ of a liberal is 106, while the average IQ of a conservative is 95. Meadowoak Nov 7 #59

wow......you really didn't know??.... Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #15

nice insult!!!!!!!!!!! newdayneeded Nov 8 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author newdayneeded Nov 8 #140

All I know is that my IQ is higher than the average - 100 IQ is the average or mean. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #29

You'd be wrong Fiendish Thingy Nov 7 #51

I do wonder how much is education or lack thereof white_wolf Nov 7 #52

There is, and always has been, a very strong strain of anti-intellectualism niyad Nov 7 #69

I am 127 BlueKota Nov 7 #86

"IQ" is a sloppy and almost GenThePerservering Nov 9 #162

Yes.They.Are. Sailingdiver Nov 7 #39

Belated happy 12th DUnniversary to you. niyad Nov 7 #68

Yes and yes. You need to understand that large segments of our Polly Hennessey Nov 7 #78

You don't have to be stupid not to know those words LeftInTX Nov 7 #88

***YES !!!*** When you're born on 1.5 base you don't have to be smart !! uponit7771 Nov 8 #154

No, it's more about ignorance than stupidity. whathehell Nov 8 #155

I guess tRump knew what he was doing wearing ill-fitting marybourg Nov 7 #3

Oh, he knows his audience like nobody does. TwilightZone Nov 7 #21

That's what con-men excel at. marybourg Nov 7 #23

He actually uses the same methods as a cult leader. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #41

Slight correction. It was a book of hitler's speeches, not "Mein Kampf". niyad Nov 7 #71

You bring up a point that I've often wondered about. Abolishinist Nov 7 #49

Remember George W. Bush and his appeal? kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #30

I think he really marybourg Nov 7 #38

"Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people." J_William_Ryan Nov 7 #5

Good god Rebl2 Nov 7 #6

That's the message I'm getting. TwilightZone Nov 7 #11

I don't think it's meant to be taken that way Sympthsical Nov 8 #125

or keep saying the same thing every 2 or 4 years. Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #19

No, just use simpler language Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #26

Clinton was a master at communicating with the voters. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #44

Yes he was. We should talk like Clinton Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #48

Because he grew up with them in Arkansas Blue_Roses Nov 8 #122

"College professors and lawyers" are real people. Liberal In Texas Nov 7 #28

Thank you snowybirdie Nov 8 #132

You can't discern ANY space for simpler language TheKentuckian Nov 7 #50

Bravo! bovine6 Nov 7 #82

love being told the educated are not REAL PEOPLE Skittles Nov 7 #80

They aren't the only real people. comradebillyboy Nov 8 #156

LOL Skittles Nov 8 #159

Kamala's campaign was geared to a junior high educational level. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #7

I got the same impression. TwilightZone Nov 7 #14

I am a PhD and it was not aimed at me. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #24

7th or 8th grade is pretty much the consensus. TwilightZone Nov 7 #33

The level dropped even lower I think in terms of entertainment. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #46

I have to wonder how much of that is long COVID, Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #53

I noticed it in the 80's. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #61

Thank you Clouds Passing Nov 8 #104

Using YouTube videos as tutorials is not an indicator of intelligence. orange jar Nov 7 #57

Yes it is an indicator of intellectual functioning changes. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #129

There was a comedian Chris Rock maybe BlueKota Nov 7 #70

People no longer appear to have common sense. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #130

It's definitely a different world now BlueKota Nov 8 #134

Yes and it will continue to change until the US is unrecognizable. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #145

There's using language that is geared toward that education level - Ms. Toad Nov 7 #76

It is difficult to talk to people who have experienced decades of propaganda and misinformation. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #127

That's what Bill and Obama did so well. radius777 Nov 8 #152

Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people. 2naSalit Nov 7 #8

"WTF is misogyny?" TwilightZone Nov 7 #9

you really do believe that most people can spell or define that word huh? Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #22

Yep, eye opening! newdayneeded Nov 8 #143

As a matter of curiosity, to which colleges and Ph.D. programs are you niyad Nov 7 #10

o wurd? Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #25

Maybe I'm stupid BOSSHOG Nov 7 #12

Trump said he "loves the poorly educated". We have livetohike Nov 7 #13

Blame the Democratic Party instead of the people who voted for Trump valleyrogue Nov 7 #16

reminds me of the advice for women to avoid rape Skittles Nov 8 #119

It is not Democrats job to ''fix'' them sammythecat Nov 8 #141

WE ALREADY DEAL WITH THEM Skittles Nov 8 #160

Aspirations for higher knowledge.... magicarpet Nov 7 #17

Several years ago I was gobsmacked to realize I was one of the hated "elites" ... Hekate Nov 8 #100

My dad bought me Encyclopidia Brintannica too proud patriot Nov 8 #105

OK, I give up. What is PITA? sammythecat Nov 8 #131

Pain In The Ass MichMan Nov 8 #135

Thanks n/t sammythecat Nov 8 #142

From an op ed in Seattle Times today pat_k Nov 7 #18

Could not agree more with the op-ed. orange jar Nov 7 #37

The humility to change mountain grammy Nov 7 #54

Maybe peachpit24 Nov 7 #60

I didn't see anything there worth praising. Ferrets are Cool Nov 7 #67

Just looked at his bio. .conservative. And, "prigs and pontificators" niyad Nov 7 #77

Of course he is. He's a Republican for Harris. pat_k Nov 7 #90

As they, Rs, do a lousy job of listening to us as human beings with human concerns. Clouds Passing Nov 8 #107

Braver Angels workshops. I highly recommend. pat_k Nov 8 #110

once again Skittles Nov 8 #98

Nothing pat_k Nov 8 #108

when the GOP gets what they want Skittles Nov 8 #111

I sure hope the "bottom" isn't that low. pat_k Nov 8 #115

THEY LITERALLY SPELLED IT OUT IN PROJECT 2025 Skittles Nov 8 #116

Of course. pat_k Nov 8 #117

I'm not sure if they are reachable Skittles Nov 8 #118

You may be right. pat_k Nov 8 #121

why is it always US who has to amend their behavior Skittles Nov 8 #123

Because we want to find ways to move forward. pat_k Nov 8 #148

Spot on. dalton99a Nov 8 #137

That's an excellent observation. And to highlight your point, that very thing is what made Clinton... SKKY Nov 7 #20

We can't all have the accomplishments of Bill Clinton. He was, marybourg Nov 7 #36

The right wing owns all the microphones. hadEnuf Nov 7 #27

College professors and lawyers are people, too. Sparkly Nov 7 #31

They're already voting for Democrats. BannonsLiver Nov 7 #81

There lies the rub. He is right as are all the responses. cachukis Nov 7 #32

Nobody ever tells those dumbasses... Dem4life1234 Nov 7 #34

Nor do they B.See Nov 7 #47

We are real people, thank you. In a moment of synchronicity though, our grandson ... Hekate Nov 7 #35

bless your heart Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #42

I love that. Sparkly Nov 7 #45

I had a high-school English teacher BlueKota Nov 7 #65

It used to take my teachers in junior and senior high a bit of time to niyad Nov 7 #75

Yes, I agree. Also..... pdxflyboy Nov 7 #40

I am a real person. Didn't realize I needed a CAPTCHA when speaking. Who knew? Solly Mack Nov 7 #43

I've noticed they like simple soloutions white_wolf Nov 7 #55

Yep. Dems need to dumb everything down to 1st grade level to match the CousinIT Nov 7 #58

Only if they want to win elections it seems. Fish700 Nov 7 #62

***Raises hand tentatively **** Prairie Gates Nov 7 #63

So many seem to forget that VP Harris was dropped into an... brush Nov 7 #64

I don't see the OP as being critical of Harris. It's about messaging in general. live love laugh Nov 7 #91

Still, messaging over a two-year campaign vs a three month and a few days campaign... brush Nov 8 #109

I'm not dumbing myself down for some magat. Ferrets are Cool Nov 7 #66

I saw something about trump speaking at a 4th grade level ecstatic Nov 7 #72

HE SPEAKS ABSOLUTE GIBBERISH Skittles Nov 8 #112

Also: How did President Obama succeed? I don't think he dumbed things down ecstatic Nov 7 #73

If you don't know what cis gendered is choie Nov 7 #74

Which goes to his point.... dropouts are not going to look anything up. live love laugh Nov 7 #89

and we need to be like that to appeal to them? Skittles Nov 8 #124

I'm appalled at the state of de-education but it's "a thing." live love laugh Nov 8 #128

HELLO Skittles Nov 7 #79

EXACTLY!!! niyad Nov 7 #84

Second that Clouds Passing Nov 8 #144

No. Democrats speak like normal people with normal educations. The 'real' people you refer to are the ancianita Nov 7 #83

I get your point... oldsoldierfadingfast Nov 7 #87

Well that hit a nerve KentuckyWoman Nov 7 #94

I never thought I'd see the day where DUers defined what REAL PEOPLE are Skittles Nov 8 #96

No it is not too much KentuckyWoman Nov 8 #150

I've read that 54% of Americans read below a 6th grade level. NoMoreRepugs Nov 7 #95

We've got to remember... ECL213 Nov 8 #97

I never get tired of this. Watching Gene Wilder's eye movements, just classic. Abolishinist Nov 8 #99

Best ever. I will love that scene forever. 💕💕💕 Just what I needed tonight. Hekate Nov 8 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 8 #102

Interesting proud patriot Nov 8 #103

I don't think those shows are a fair comparison with Fox Lulu KC Nov 8 #106

Why all the pessimism? We lost a three month and a few days campaign vs a two-year one. brush Nov 8 #113

TV is geared for an 11 year old vocabulary lindysalsagal Nov 8 #114

Immigrants who voted for trump, said the like how he speaks frankly Demovictory9 Nov 8 #120

I thought about "narcissist" vs. "egomaniac" GreenWave Nov 8 #126

Agreed 100% oldreliable_one Nov 8 #133

Trump ran on identity politics though. He ran on "revenge" against people who held *him* accountable ck4829 Nov 8 #136

So Tim Walz didn't quite do it for you, right? Lulu KC Nov 8 #158

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 9 #161

Counterpoint. Confusing words are not why we lost. What is "Woke"? What is "Communism"? What is "Transgender"? ck4829 Nov 8 #138

Don't forget Critical Race Theory and DEI tulipsandroses Nov 8 #157

Ivy League Grads on Trump's Team. SupportSanity Nov 8 #146

maybe if we tried playing nice, reach across the isle once and awhile. maybe buy them lunch or something. Hotler Nov 8 #147

Great post! gulliver Nov 8 #149

Jimmy Kimmel SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #151

regarding "real people" Quiet Em Nov 8 #153