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Quiet Em

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153. regarding "real people"

Fri Nov 8, 2024, 12:13 PM

Nov 8

We found, as you are now finding, that the new truth-building process does not require facts or the underpinning of agreed values. We were confronted – as you are being confronted – by a toxic vocabulary: “elite”, “experts”, “real people” and “alienated intellectuals”. The elite, with experts as mouthpieces of that oppressive elite, were portrayed as people detached from society, willing to suppress the needs, choices and beliefs of “real people”.

Events moved quickly. Those who believed experts should be excluded from the truth-building process, and that the facts were too boring to be bothered with, became the most active participants in a reconstruction of their own truth. The magic word was “respect”, with the demand that the elite, since they were so out of touch, should respect real people’s truth.

We have learned a lesson, but too late. The question “Are we out of touch?” leads to “them and us”, which then morphs into “either us or them”. As we found in Turkey, the masses choose “them”. From that point you find yourself, like me, labelled “not real people” in your own country. Europe and the US will soon learn that being “elite” is not about social class or education: it is about obedience to one version of the truth.

https://ecetemelkuran.net/truth-is-a-lost-game-in-turkey-dont-let-the-same-thing-happen-to-you/

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And ANOTHER reason we Democrats lost and will continue to lose [View all] AverageOldGuy Nov 7 OP

There is zero chance any legacy media gets a nano second of my time. onecaliberal Nov 7 #1

Are people really that stupid? If so God help us. n/t totodeinhere Nov 7 #2

The answer is yes. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #4

That's a interesting point about the average IQ. BlueKota Nov 7 #56

speaking as a teacher NJCher Nov 7 #85

Wow that's bad BlueKota Nov 7 #92

the super is heading it up but NJCher Nov 7 #93

average IQ of a liberal is 106, while the average IQ of a conservative is 95. Meadowoak Nov 7 #59

wow......you really didn't know??.... Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #15

nice insult!!!!!!!!!!! newdayneeded Nov 8 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author newdayneeded Nov 8 #140

All I know is that my IQ is higher than the average - 100 IQ is the average or mean. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #29

You'd be wrong Fiendish Thingy Nov 7 #51

I do wonder how much is education or lack thereof white_wolf Nov 7 #52

There is, and always has been, a very strong strain of anti-intellectualism niyad Nov 7 #69

I am 127 BlueKota Nov 7 #86

"IQ" is a sloppy and almost GenThePerservering Nov 9 #162

Yes.They.Are. Sailingdiver Nov 7 #39

Belated happy 12th DUnniversary to you. niyad Nov 7 #68

Yes and yes. You need to understand that large segments of our Polly Hennessey Nov 7 #78

You don't have to be stupid not to know those words LeftInTX Nov 7 #88

***YES !!!*** When you're born on 1.5 base you don't have to be smart !! uponit7771 Nov 8 #154

No, it's more about ignorance than stupidity. whathehell Nov 8 #155

I guess tRump knew what he was doing wearing ill-fitting marybourg Nov 7 #3

Oh, he knows his audience like nobody does. TwilightZone Nov 7 #21

That's what con-men excel at. marybourg Nov 7 #23

He actually uses the same methods as a cult leader. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #41

Slight correction. It was a book of hitler's speeches, not "Mein Kampf". niyad Nov 7 #71

You bring up a point that I've often wondered about. Abolishinist Nov 7 #49

Remember George W. Bush and his appeal? kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #30

I think he really marybourg Nov 7 #38

"Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people." J_William_Ryan Nov 7 #5

Good god Rebl2 Nov 7 #6

That's the message I'm getting. TwilightZone Nov 7 #11

I don't think it's meant to be taken that way Sympthsical Nov 8 #125

or keep saying the same thing every 2 or 4 years. Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #19

No, just use simpler language Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #26

Clinton was a master at communicating with the voters. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 7 #44

Yes he was. We should talk like Clinton Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #48

Because he grew up with them in Arkansas Blue_Roses Nov 8 #122

"College professors and lawyers" are real people. Liberal In Texas Nov 7 #28

Thank you snowybirdie Nov 8 #132

You can't discern ANY space for simpler language TheKentuckian Nov 7 #50

Bravo! bovine6 Nov 7 #82

love being told the educated are not REAL PEOPLE Skittles Nov 7 #80

They aren't the only real people. comradebillyboy Nov 8 #156

LOL Skittles Nov 8 #159

Kamala's campaign was geared to a junior high educational level. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #7

I got the same impression. TwilightZone Nov 7 #14

I am a PhD and it was not aimed at me. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #24

7th or 8th grade is pretty much the consensus. TwilightZone Nov 7 #33

The level dropped even lower I think in terms of entertainment. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #46

I have to wonder how much of that is long COVID, Qutzupalotl Nov 7 #53

I noticed it in the 80's. Irish_Dem Nov 7 #61

Thank you Clouds Passing Nov 8 #104

Using YouTube videos as tutorials is not an indicator of intelligence. orange jar Nov 7 #57

Yes it is an indicator of intellectual functioning changes. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #129

There was a comedian Chris Rock maybe BlueKota Nov 7 #70

People no longer appear to have common sense. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #130

It's definitely a different world now BlueKota Nov 8 #134

Yes and it will continue to change until the US is unrecognizable. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #145

There's using language that is geared toward that education level - Ms. Toad Nov 7 #76

It is difficult to talk to people who have experienced decades of propaganda and misinformation. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #127

That's what Bill and Obama did so well. radius777 Nov 8 #152

Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people. 2naSalit Nov 7 #8

"WTF is misogyny?" TwilightZone Nov 7 #9

you really do believe that most people can spell or define that word huh? Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #22

Yep, eye opening! newdayneeded Nov 8 #143

As a matter of curiosity, to which colleges and Ph.D. programs are you niyad Nov 7 #10

o wurd? Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #25

Maybe I'm stupid BOSSHOG Nov 7 #12

Trump said he "loves the poorly educated". We have livetohike Nov 7 #13

Blame the Democratic Party instead of the people who voted for Trump valleyrogue Nov 7 #16

reminds me of the advice for women to avoid rape Skittles Nov 8 #119

It is not Democrats job to ''fix'' them sammythecat Nov 8 #141

WE ALREADY DEAL WITH THEM Skittles Nov 8 #160

Aspirations for higher knowledge.... magicarpet Nov 7 #17

Several years ago I was gobsmacked to realize I was one of the hated "elites" ... Hekate Nov 8 #100

My dad bought me Encyclopidia Brintannica too proud patriot Nov 8 #105

OK, I give up. What is PITA? sammythecat Nov 8 #131

Pain In The Ass MichMan Nov 8 #135

Thanks n/t sammythecat Nov 8 #142

From an op ed in Seattle Times today pat_k Nov 7 #18

Could not agree more with the op-ed. orange jar Nov 7 #37

The humility to change mountain grammy Nov 7 #54

Maybe peachpit24 Nov 7 #60

I didn't see anything there worth praising. Ferrets are Cool Nov 7 #67

Just looked at his bio. .conservative. And, "prigs and pontificators" niyad Nov 7 #77

Of course he is. He's a Republican for Harris. pat_k Nov 7 #90

As they, Rs, do a lousy job of listening to us as human beings with human concerns. Clouds Passing Nov 8 #107

Braver Angels workshops. I highly recommend. pat_k Nov 8 #110

once again Skittles Nov 8 #98

Nothing pat_k Nov 8 #108

when the GOP gets what they want Skittles Nov 8 #111

I sure hope the "bottom" isn't that low. pat_k Nov 8 #115

THEY LITERALLY SPELLED IT OUT IN PROJECT 2025 Skittles Nov 8 #116

Of course. pat_k Nov 8 #117

I'm not sure if they are reachable Skittles Nov 8 #118

You may be right. pat_k Nov 8 #121

why is it always US who has to amend their behavior Skittles Nov 8 #123

Because we want to find ways to move forward. pat_k Nov 8 #148

Spot on. dalton99a Nov 8 #137

That's an excellent observation. And to highlight your point, that very thing is what made Clinton... SKKY Nov 7 #20

We can't all have the accomplishments of Bill Clinton. He was, marybourg Nov 7 #36

The right wing owns all the microphones. hadEnuf Nov 7 #27

College professors and lawyers are people, too. Sparkly Nov 7 #31

They're already voting for Democrats. BannonsLiver Nov 7 #81

There lies the rub. He is right as are all the responses. cachukis Nov 7 #32

Nobody ever tells those dumbasses... Dem4life1234 Nov 7 #34

Nor do they B.See Nov 7 #47

We are real people, thank you. In a moment of synchronicity though, our grandson ... Hekate Nov 7 #35

bless your heart Nimble_Idea Nov 7 #42

I love that. Sparkly Nov 7 #45

I had a high-school English teacher BlueKota Nov 7 #65

It used to take my teachers in junior and senior high a bit of time to niyad Nov 7 #75

Yes, I agree. Also..... pdxflyboy Nov 7 #40

I am a real person. Didn't realize I needed a CAPTCHA when speaking. Who knew? Solly Mack Nov 7 #43

I've noticed they like simple soloutions white_wolf Nov 7 #55

Yep. Dems need to dumb everything down to 1st grade level to match the CousinIT Nov 7 #58

Only if they want to win elections it seems. Fish700 Nov 7 #62

***Raises hand tentatively **** Prairie Gates Nov 7 #63

So many seem to forget that VP Harris was dropped into an... brush Nov 7 #64

I don't see the OP as being critical of Harris. It's about messaging in general. live love laugh Nov 7 #91

Still, messaging over a two-year campaign vs a three month and a few days campaign... brush Nov 8 #109

I'm not dumbing myself down for some magat. Ferrets are Cool Nov 7 #66

I saw something about trump speaking at a 4th grade level ecstatic Nov 7 #72

HE SPEAKS ABSOLUTE GIBBERISH Skittles Nov 8 #112

Also: How did President Obama succeed? I don't think he dumbed things down ecstatic Nov 7 #73

If you don't know what cis gendered is choie Nov 7 #74

Which goes to his point.... dropouts are not going to look anything up. live love laugh Nov 7 #89

and we need to be like that to appeal to them? Skittles Nov 8 #124

I'm appalled at the state of de-education but it's "a thing." live love laugh Nov 8 #128

HELLO Skittles Nov 7 #79

EXACTLY!!! niyad Nov 7 #84

Second that Clouds Passing Nov 8 #144

No. Democrats speak like normal people with normal educations. The 'real' people you refer to are the ancianita Nov 7 #83

I get your point... oldsoldierfadingfast Nov 7 #87

Well that hit a nerve KentuckyWoman Nov 7 #94

I never thought I'd see the day where DUers defined what REAL PEOPLE are Skittles Nov 8 #96

No it is not too much KentuckyWoman Nov 8 #150

I've read that 54% of Americans read below a 6th grade level. NoMoreRepugs Nov 7 #95

We've got to remember... ECL213 Nov 8 #97

I never get tired of this. Watching Gene Wilder's eye movements, just classic. Abolishinist Nov 8 #99

Best ever. I will love that scene forever. 💕💕💕 Just what I needed tonight. Hekate Nov 8 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 8 #102

Interesting proud patriot Nov 8 #103

I don't think those shows are a fair comparison with Fox Lulu KC Nov 8 #106

Why all the pessimism? We lost a three month and a few days campaign vs a two-year one. brush Nov 8 #113

TV is geared for an 11 year old vocabulary lindysalsagal Nov 8 #114

Immigrants who voted for trump, said the like how he speaks frankly Demovictory9 Nov 8 #120

I thought about "narcissist" vs. "egomaniac" GreenWave Nov 8 #126

Agreed 100% oldreliable_one Nov 8 #133

Trump ran on identity politics though. He ran on "revenge" against people who held *him* accountable ck4829 Nov 8 #136

So Tim Walz didn't quite do it for you, right? Lulu KC Nov 8 #158

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 9 #161

Counterpoint. Confusing words are not why we lost. What is "Woke"? What is "Communism"? What is "Transgender"? ck4829 Nov 8 #138

Don't forget Critical Race Theory and DEI tulipsandroses Nov 8 #157

Ivy League Grads on Trump's Team. SupportSanity Nov 8 #146

maybe if we tried playing nice, reach across the isle once and awhile. maybe buy them lunch or something. Hotler Nov 8 #147

Great post! gulliver Nov 8 #149

Jimmy Kimmel SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #151

regarding "real people" Quiet Em Nov 8 #153