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102. I admit, the numbers seem out of whack to me.

Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:35 PM

Nov 8

A Republican hasn’t won the popular vote in 20 years. (Bush 04)
You have to go back 16 years for a Democrat to get 69 million votes and that was the most ever then. (Obama 08)
Kamala only topped Hillary by 4 million 8 years. apart.
Trump got 10 million more in the same 4/8 years.
Trump had close to the same amount of votes in 20’ and 24’.
Biden had 81 million+ in 20’ and Kamala gets 69 million 4 years later.
There’s 6 million less registered voters this cycle.
158.5 million voted in 2020
Appx 145 million people voted in 2024.
Normally, the overall vote increases every cycle.
(Since 1992)
Clinton’s 2nd (1996) term was a lower turnout. Otherwise, always higher.
These are facts with rounded numbers.
The rumor mill says 14 million Democratic votes are missing. I DID SAY RUMOR MILL ON THIS ONE.
So, I wonder…..

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I'm a little amazed at the number of DUers who are willing to join a "they stole it" conspiracy theory. [View all] LAS14 Nov 8 OP

Recommended Ponietz Nov 8 #1

Totally agree. But I expect more theories of how Musk changed votes all over America, or something. Silent Type Nov 8 #2

I am equally amazed more people aren't asking some hard questions. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #3

Probably the same people who gab13by13 Nov 8 #24

I missed that in 2004 ... Blue_Roses Nov 8 #45

Pretty long story gab13by13 Nov 8 #54

Ohhhhh... Blue_Roses Nov 8 #103

Sadly he died - more like, suspiciously he died in a small plane crash biophile Nov 9 #203

some states do... stillcool Nov 8 #87

Our machines are publicly tested before election yellowdogintexas Nov 9 #178

Questions are easy. Evidence is hard. I haven't seen evidence. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 8 #77

Evidence SomedayKindaLove Nov 8 #141

Exactly. Which is why it is kind of shameful when people convince themselves of a conspiracy without evidence. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 8 #150

I don't think it's shameful SomedayKindaLove Nov 8 #152

Good points. It may be natural briefly, but it really is important to distinguish between imagination and facts Bernardo de La Paz Nov 9 #180

Well stated! nt LAS14 Nov 9 #194

Yup! Kid Berwyn Nov 8 #145

Absolutely! SheltieLover Nov 9 #201

I utilize DeepWinter Nov 8 #4

He's not my president never will be Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #157

The alternative is admitting they've been bamboozled by hype merchants. RockRaven Nov 8 #5

We aren't as immune to hype and propaganda as we think we are. orange jar Nov 8 #17

How is Meidas Touch damaging? bikes and bunnies Nov 8 #84

I agree BonnieJW Nov 8 #108

The hyperbole, for starters. orange jar Nov 8 #148

yep, those clickbait titles The Wandering Harper Nov 9 #181

"We" live love laugh Nov 8 #139

Well it wouldn't be for want of trying. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 8 #6

I'm amazed that you are so quick to swat away the possibility when Trumps own daughter OWNS voting machine trademarks live love laugh Nov 8 #7

What? Blue_Roses Nov 8 #50

I have always wondered WHY we don't receive a receipt when we vote..or at least a verification by email or text or even BattleRow Nov 8 #52

That was discussed here after the theft of 2000. I learned live love laugh Nov 8 #91

Receipts would not be valid for counting but would be useful for auditing. HelpImSurrounded Nov 8 #109

Receipts would have to be validated first because they may be inaccurate. live love laugh Nov 8 #111

As I said. Not for counting but useful for auditing HelpImSurrounded Nov 8 #114

I have said for years ,hey you can't buy a stick of gum without a receipt, BattleRow Nov 8 #138

I thank you for this info.2000 was a year in hell for me,so it's possible I totally missed it. BattleRow Nov 8 #137

Just a suggestion bdamomma Nov 8 #124

If it was one state, I could buy the possibility. Self Esteem Nov 8 #151

OK, so you see proof and so now you're trying to minimize to one state. live love laugh Nov 8 #155

I don't see any proof. Self Esteem Nov 8 #158

LOL so NO proof but you try to minimize the impact to one state. live love laugh Nov 8 #164

I am more amazed by the number of people who think they wouldn't. travelingthrulife Nov 8 #8

What makes you an expert on how easy it is to manipulate votes? live love laugh Nov 8 #9

A number of persuasive stories on (deep breath!!!) Main Stream Media! nt LAS14 Nov 8 #19

Hilarious that you trust the same media that routinely trashes Democrats. live love laugh Nov 8 #47

they want an explanation for the 15 million who didnt vote Mr. Sparkle Nov 8 #10

In Pennsylvania, more voted in 2024 than in 2020. John1956PA Nov 8 #23

When the final numbers are in, the number of votes in PA likely will be up by around 60K, well less than 1 % onenote Nov 9 #187

There is no explanation Zeitghost Nov 8 #49

Hmmmm? Despite the massive door knocking/canvassing effort of the Harris campaign... brush Nov 8 #73

Thats the way it looks with the uncounted votes left Zeitghost Nov 8 #104

IMO that seems doubtful because of all the increased canvassing. Something seem fishy. brush Nov 8 #107

What evidence do we have Zeitghost Nov 8 #126

Are you serious? Busloads of canvassers from NY road to PA to canvass. brush Nov 8 #129

I've worked campaigns and am well aware Zeitghost Nov 8 #130

Goddamned right its fishy DiverDave Nov 8 #154

Its highly likely those 3 million votes, or whatever the total turns out to be DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 8 #132

Harris is still 11 million down from Biden in 2020 soandso Nov 8 #169

+1 onenote Nov 9 #186

Maybe you should wait until all the votes are counted before going tin foil? onenote Nov 9 #185

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 15 #217

Shoulda been here 2004 Prairie Gates Nov 8 #11

In 2004 it happened in Ohio and Kerry has acknowledged it. milestogo Nov 8 #15

I tend to believe the Blackbox Voting Conspiracy Theory regarding Ohio the 2004 Ohio vote. John1956PA Nov 8 #32

People died because of it....... Hope22 Nov 8 #48

The programmer who engineered gab13by13 Nov 8 #57

I remember that,now that u mention it BattleRow Nov 8 #62

That was such a crazy time! Hope22 Nov 8 #74

I remember that. I think his name was something like McConnel. n/t John1956PA Nov 8 #93

Kerry has acknowledged it? That's the first I've ever heard that! -nt CrispyQ Nov 8 #85

Yes, he did. milestogo Nov 8 #89

We had reason. Jamastiene Nov 8 #25

They cheated in 2000 hannah Nov 8 #72

Yes the 'Brooks brothers' Hope22 Nov 8 #78

I remember that. Jamastiene Nov 8 #143

I did not say it didn't happen. Jamastiene Nov 8 #144

I remember that Babajida Nov 9 #200

I recall the comments post election 2016 sarisataka Nov 8 #12

Yeah, wasn't there a whole forum devoted to election conspiracies at one time? Dr. Strange Nov 8 #18

Way before Election Day TSF said the election would be rigged. Hope22 Nov 8 #86

If there was evidence, I would be on board sarisataka Nov 8 #95

I'm not concerned if you are on board or not! Hope22 Nov 8 #110

If we were in World War Z, sarisataka Nov 8 #112

I'm amazed by your short memory and naivete. milestogo Nov 8 #13

Election fraud is a lazy answer to a complex question Fiendish Thingy Nov 8 #14

+1 onenote Nov 9 #188

I will go as far to say... kentuck Nov 8 #16

THIS is an absolute fact kwolf68 Nov 8 #29

There are Democratic governors in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania tritsofme Nov 8 #97

They couldn't control the Republican space lasers that changed votes. onenote Nov 9 #189

Agree 100%. It's embarassing. We are supposed to be the smart ones. beaglelover Nov 8 #20

Denial is the first stage of grief. TomSlick Nov 8 #21

Also when you realize you've been conned. BattleRow Nov 8 #60

President Biden said the election was honest, fair, & transparent. TomSlick Nov 8 #161

I was referring to GOP acolytes and not so light,heavy weights. BattleRow Nov 8 #165

Sorry. I'm not tracking. TomSlick Nov 8 #166

We all have opinions BattleRow Nov 9 #176

Agree BannonsLiver Nov 8 #22

I am not going to argue about the possibility gab13by13 Nov 8 #26

Thank You For Your Continued Contributions SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #30

90+ for me. dchill Nov 8 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 15 #216

You actually think trump won every swing state despite the massive canvassing effort... brush Nov 8 #27

Not to mention every accusation is an admission, a projection. intheflow Nov 8 #53

I Will Repeat What Others Have Said On This Thread SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #28

Yeah Queens moved 21 points to trump because of stolen votes. Fucking eyeroll. mathematic Nov 8 #31

me too. but i also understand. who wants to believe it wasn't rigged? Native Nov 8 #33

Thank you. snot Nov 8 #34

I started out in college as a "black hat" cyber hacker lapfog_1 Nov 8 #35

With the resources and time required, you don't think this would be spotted before completion? LAS14 Nov 8 #41

nope lapfog_1 Nov 8 #46

BEST FUCKING POST orangecrush Nov 8 #71

You have to physically manipulate each machine LeftInTX Nov 8 #121

reread what I posted lapfog_1 Nov 8 #162

We have about 5,000 voting machines in our county LeftInTX Nov 8 #163

and how many different operating systems run on those machines lapfog_1 Nov 8 #170

You know this is the GOP CT. I have sit with both teams LeftInTX Nov 8 #171

I have worked at very secure sites lapfog_1 Nov 8 #172

Vanesa Guillen's family voted for Trump LeftInTX Nov 9 #173

Add to that ... relayerbob Nov 8 #131

Thank you. Jamastiene Nov 8 #146

With all your experience, and cred have you contacted gov't officials? Your Reps, or Senators IF they're Democrats, or. electric_blue68 Nov 10 #207

I prefer the older SciFi lapfog_1 Nov 10 #208

I've heard of him, and those books. It's a TV show, not a book... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #209

I sold my sister's wine collection back in 1989 lapfog_1 Nov 11 #210

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 15 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 15 #215

I'm not. Mosby Nov 8 #36

I don't think it is wise to discount even the possibility. kentuck Nov 8 #37

Donald Trump would never cheat. Blue Owl Nov 8 #38

Could be a factor - but it wouldn't be enough to explain it all TBF Nov 8 #39

Totally agree! kellytore Nov 8 #40

Of course they gamed the system Metaphorical Nov 8 #42

"Dominion owned by Republicans"? Evidence of that? Lay it out right here. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 8 #80

Still waiting for evidence on your main (first) point. This might help you Bernardo de La Paz Nov 9 #199

THEY STOLE IT johnnyfins Nov 8 #43

SHOUTING doesn't make it more true. Hope it makes you feel better even when there is NO evidence. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 8 #75

Holy projection, Batman! tritsofme Nov 8 #101

How did "they" steal it SCantiGOP Nov 9 #197

It's a state of denial, pure and simple. Denial is why led a lot of MAGAts to believe the lasts election was stolen. Martin68 Nov 8 #44

Putin has learned a lot in 4 yrs. Xoan Nov 8 #51

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Blue Full Moon Nov 8 #55

And yet, markodochartaigh Nov 8 #64

More than trashing Blue Full Moon Nov 8 #106

Many Call DU an Echo Chamber. ruet Nov 8 #56

Name calling won't make troublesome things disappear. 🫠 live love laugh Nov 8 #117

It is not necessarily a conspiracy theory but the numbers give rise to some critical thinking. Jit423 Nov 8 #58

All during early voting, the Republican area LeftInTX Nov 8 #127

I'm a little amazed at those who, because of whathehell Nov 8 #59

more important.. it wouldnt be worth it going southmost Nov 8 #61

If there are states that were in play with many many ballots marked all Dems and one red X for TSF Hope22 Nov 8 #63

Magats are adding insult to injury gab13by13 Nov 8 #65

I think that it is unlikely that this election was stolen. markodochartaigh Nov 8 #66

This is precisely why they did it all that time. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 8 #68

Maybe it's all the voter suppression laws orangecrush Nov 8 #69

I'm not surprised. LudwigPastorius Nov 8 #70

It was our story before they borrowed it. Ms. Toad Nov 8 #76

The real question is LilElf70 Nov 8 #79

Really? Cirsium Nov 8 #81

Exactly. It may B.See Nov 8 #92

Sound reasons? Cirsium Nov 8 #140

jeeze, I guess cyber-security isn't really a thing? stillcool Nov 8 #82

Ahh, so you are of the viewpoint that the voting tabulator totaled should not be verified against the paper ballots? LiberalArkie Nov 8 #83

So recounts are just for Republicans? Sorry, but there's something sketchy about this election when Vinca Nov 8 #88

Truly, I think most of it is we live with a bunch of $hitty AllyCat Nov 8 #90

They bought his late campaign rhetoric about let the states do it. He had a big advantage... LAS14 Nov 8 #136

Mushy Thinking North Coast Lawyer Nov 8 #94

That is so, so true! I've struggled around trying to describe... LAS14 Nov 8 #135

I agree, but it easier to accept that TNNurse Nov 8 #96

Agree. Elessar Zappa Nov 8 #98

Thanks for this! I forgot about "no kooky content" as a forum rule. nt LAS14 Nov 8 #134

It won't do any good - Harris, etc already conceded. Our time needs to be better spent. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 8 #99

Thank you. William769 Nov 8 #100

I admit, the numbers seem out of whack to me. Bitbit Nov 8 #102

I look at a state like N. Carolina gab13by13 Nov 8 #105

Well they did. That's why Orangehead said he had all the votes he needed, won't have to vote after this... MaeScott Nov 8 #113

Moscow Mitch is one of the most reprehensible oasis Nov 8 #122

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt. n/t malthaussen Nov 8 #115

Do I think there was shady/illegal influence of voters' opinions... RevBrotherThomas Nov 8 #116

I could not agree more. beemerphill Nov 8 #118

Well stated. nt LAS14 Nov 8 #133

Well, we are free to think what we want Ferrets are Cool Nov 8 #119

Bbbbbbuuuttttt she had so many lawyers... marcopolo63 Nov 8 #120

They were announcing the wins with millions of votes still uncounted, pnwmom Nov 8 #123

I don't know why what happened happened but I am amazed malaise Nov 8 #125

So true. Jamastiene Nov 8 #147

Precisely malaise Nov 8 #149

I think they tried in 2020 but underestimated the numbers Blue Owl Nov 8 #128

I do remember that in 2020. Yes Biden won. But there were still weird areas where Trump way overperformed that does not SweetieD Nov 9 #177

They perfected the steal this time around. live love laugh Nov 9 #205

Yet we threw a fit about hand counting the number of ballots, without regard to vote tabulation. Silent Type Nov 8 #142

You missed the bomb threats at blue swing precincts? IbogaProject Nov 8 #153

I don't see that ending up throwing the election. Do you really? Really?? nt LAS14 Nov 8 #168

I will not write it off Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #156

Yes our resident right wingers are certainly having a lot of fun with all this. tenderfoot Nov 8 #159

What's good for the goose ... sleroy49 Nov 8 #160

Zero % chance Trump would gain in blue and red safe states if it was stolen. Quixote1818 Nov 8 #167

Sorry but you obviously dont garybeck Nov 9 #174

As I understand it, none of these machines are connected to the internet. Sure, you can... LAS14 Nov 9 #193

valid question. here is your answer garybeck Nov 11 #211

Heres a really interesting conclusion by this 2005 commission. LAS14 Nov 11 #212

I believe there was massive fraud. Just based on what Trump and his SweetieD Nov 9 #175

I hadn't heard that thing about Rogan obamanut2012 Nov 9 #183

I get worried about conspiratorial thinking gemini_liberal Nov 9 #179

Exactly berksdem Nov 9 #182

I'm amazed a people who apparently dismiss the repeated warnings before the election bigtree Nov 9 #184

It is disturbing. I hope it's temporary. I'm focused on what actions Iris Nov 9 #190

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 9 #191

And now you're choosing to believe something he says? nt LAS14 Nov 9 #195

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Let's hear it, then, for Trump's election deniers... Sarcasm nt LAS14 Nov 9 #196

i'd like to know why Slotkin, Baldwin, Rosen, Gallego, and Stein won onenote Nov 9 #198

The target is the presidency. The down ballot results are a tell. live love laugh Nov 9 #206

it was either jewish space lasers yaesu Nov 9 #202

MANIPULATING THE VOTE CROW50 Nov 9 #204

Entirely incorrect FBaggins Nov 15 #214