General Discussion

cab67

(3,244 posts)

75. Good advice for some people.

Sun Nov 10, 2024, 06:15 PM

Nov 10

Not for all.

A friend of mine has a teenage child with a long history of mental illness. This child has expressed serious suicidal ideation, and although my friend hasn't said as much, I get the sense there have been a couple of actual suicide attempts. My friend and her spouse have been working to get help for this child (in- and out-patient) for many years.

The number one predictor of whether someone thinking of suicide will actually act on those thoughts is the presence of a gun in the home.

Yes, guns can be secured. But intelligent adolescents are far too often able to get around those security measures. Desperation breeds cleverness. For my friend, a gun is just not a viable option.

I'm not anti-gun, and I'm not saying people - especially those who are at heightened physical danger because of last week's election - shouldn't consider being armed as one of several possible solutions. But it's not a workable solution for everyone.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

brakester

109 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Mark Morford: Buy a Gun [View all] Duncan Grant Nov 10 OP

Me: No johnp3907 Nov 10 #1

How did you possibly have time to read it in 2 minutes?! Duncan Grant Nov 10 #2

Definitely not NRA propaganda. FuzzyRabbit Nov 10 #4

Now it's just a sad reality. MrsCheaplaugh Nov 10 #95

So you're a man who thinks women should not arm themselves ms liberty Nov 10 #13

My body,your choice if I shoot your ass or not..go ahead,make my day.. BattleRow Nov 10 #64

THAT'S THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ladyhawke1 Nov 12 #107

Very few intruders are brave enough to try ms liberty Nov 12 #108

You definitely didn't read that too closely if that is the take away TheKentuckian Nov 10 #15

Men can have the guns they want, but when women talk about getting guns, no way. Irish_Dem Nov 10 #54

I'm not completely on board with people with no weapons training buying guns. TomSlick Nov 10 #60

Well of course people need training on how to use a gun. Irish_Dem Nov 10 #65

You know me better than to suggest I think woman are idiots. TomSlick Nov 10 #66

Yes that is why I was surprised by your post. Irish_Dem Nov 10 #76

I am terrified for my wife, DIL and granddaughters. TomSlick Nov 10 #83

Then post that. Post that you are scared for the women in your life. Don't mansplain what we Maru Kitteh Nov 11 #98

I apologize. TomSlick Nov 11 #106

Did you read the article? TomSlick Nov 10 #55

I agree with this gay texan Nov 10 #3

I'm teaching my 14 yr old daughter how to shoot my handgun this week NickB79 Nov 10 #5

Gave me much to consider, good advice Ferryboat Nov 10 #6

I sent this to a few like-minded female friends of mine. NickB79 Nov 10 #7

Ooooo! I love situational ethics! TheProle Nov 10 #8

This isnt situational ethics gay texan Nov 10 #33

Women being threatened with rape is not just a classroom discussion in ethics. Irish_Dem Nov 10 #58

Meaning what, exactly? niyad Nov 10 #79

Your Body, My Choice speak easy Nov 10 #9

The level of misogynistic arrogance in that statement is so astounding. OldBaldy1701E Nov 10 #38

Remind them that Hitler was defeated. GoreWon2000 Nov 10 #67

Here's a good come back..."your face my fist!" PortTack Nov 10 #39

"Your nuts, my knee!" Ocelot II Nov 10 #61

'your balls, my heels' speak easy Nov 10 #93

Here's the thing milestogo Nov 10 #10

There is plenty of info GenThePerservering Nov 10 #14

You find sympathetic and Democratic gun owners DemonGoddess Nov 10 #17

Go to a local gun shop or range AverageOldGuy Nov 10 #18

Try contacting your State DNR for firearms training. LNM Nov 10 #21

Thats where i come in gay texan Nov 10 #34

... because I'm guessing every gun shop and instructor in my area is MAGA Alice B. Nov 10 #42

Don't count on it. Demobrat Nov 10 #48

Objectively I know that Alice B. Nov 10 #72

Good for you ... you just never know, and are always better safe by saying NO, and preparing yourself to run, SWBTATTReg Nov 10 #84

Thank you. And I am still bereft we have only gone backwards in terms of women feeling like prey. Alice B. Nov 10 #86

We are prey. Time to accept it and act like it. Demobrat Nov 10 #88

Yes, that's deeply unfortunately and very pathetic. My sister is a strong person and has the personality to suit SWBTATTReg Nov 10 #90

You were alone. That's all it takes. And now they are emboldened. Demobrat Nov 10 #85

Exactly! Alice B. Nov 10 #89

I didn't know what Yankee Candle was. Had to google it. Demobrat Nov 10 #92

Just don't advertise to the gun shops and instructors you're liberal NickB79 Nov 10 #70

I'm in a longtime red county in a now-red state Alice B. Nov 10 #80

Go to Cabela's or Bass Pro. colorado_ufo Nov 10 #68

No guns for me. mzmolly Nov 10 #11

Those who are comfortable carrying should. IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 10 #12

Also there are other deterrents GenThePerservering Nov 10 #16

Thats the other aspect of it, martial arts gay texan Nov 10 #36

It's a good idea, unless Deep State Witch Nov 10 #19

Another solution is needed GenThePerservering Nov 10 #20

Check into Katcat Nov 10 #32

Hat pins BattleRow Nov 10 #74

Good Read but be warned, and intrigued. (Intrigued can have positive or negative spin right?) Prairie_Seagull Nov 10 #22

No. Absolutely not. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 10 #23

I am considering this AKwannabe Nov 10 #24

Unfortunately, if you pull a weapon, it needs to be used. love_katz Nov 10 #73

Guy doesn't know much about having a gun for self defense Kaleva Nov 10 #25

Yeah, this soandso Nov 10 #37

Yes! Kaleva Nov 10 #82

Do NOT buy a handgun WalkerinSC Nov 10 #26

I needed to hear this. Alice B. Nov 10 #57

Guns are dangerous, even in the hands cops, home owners and at gun ranges. multigraincracker Nov 10 #27

Agree Kaleva Nov 10 #30

from the piece proud patriot Nov 10 #28

Years ago I stopped at a yard sale and was talking the guy running it, an older guy, multigraincracker Nov 10 #29

I've met plenty of morons with guns... Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #44

Nope. nt Tommy Carcetti Nov 10 #31

Start carrying pepper spray or mace (if legal), ladies. roamer65 Nov 10 #35

Shotgun is very handy for home defense. 58Sunliner Nov 10 #52

we have one cksmithy Nov 10 #77

I'll be honest.... Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #40

Thank you so much for this. I used to post Mark's columns regularly when niyad Nov 10 #41

I ask everyone to read the rest of the very lengthy article at the link. niyad Nov 10 #43

I will never buy a gun. Demobrat Nov 10 #45

I'll ever get a gun because I'll never be prepared to use it. nt Gore1FL Nov 10 #46

Know yourself before you buy a gun. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 10 #47

As a woman who is a gun owner I recommend this. As a rape survivor I heartily endorse this. 58Sunliner Nov 10 #49

There are TWENTY-SEVEN suggestions in his article. Apparently only niyad Nov 10 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author chia Nov 10 #51

If somebody doesn't want to own a gun then that is their choice hadEnuf Nov 10 #53

2b or not 2b 4b? et tu Nov 10 #56

He forgot a very important rule. Demobrat Nov 10 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 10 #62

Hubby and I are going to buy a gun Blaukraut Nov 10 #63

Same here. LPBBEAR Nov 10 #94

Remember, you are buying a gun because you intend on using it to kill another person Kaleva Nov 10 #96

Already planning on it nini Nov 10 #69

Thanks! Just bought two rec'd books: "Surviving Autocracy" (Gessen) & "On Tyranny" (Snyder) n/t KatK Nov 10 #71

Good advice for some people. cab67 Nov 10 #75

Are we conflating denial of abortion care with sexual assault? HereForTheParty Nov 10 #78

I take it to mean Demobrat Nov 10 #87

Way ahead of ya. Fla_Democrat Nov 10 #81

If you haven't actually read the linked article, you should. Layzeebeaver Nov 10 #91

You can learn what you need to know about your gun in three hours. Straw Man Nov 11 #97

The ship of state turns slowly and now moves Prairie_Seagull Nov 11 #99

After reading this thread, Disaffected Nov 11 #100

Please read the entire article for a deeper understanding. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #101

I did read the article. Disaffected Nov 11 #102

Excellent, I understand. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #103

Two or more most alarming? Disaffected Nov 11 #105

If suddenly a few hundred thousand women bought guns Historic NY Nov 11 #104

No, thanks (nt) Hippasus Nov 12 #109